Cauldron of Ghosts - unlikely 'allies'

Anyone else thinks that someone, like for instance Lt. Gen. Drescher, may get to believe the evidence that the nukes and other terror strikes were performed by Allignment not Ballroom and well, get really really REALLY pissed-off at those nasty people?

Telra wrote:Anyone else thinks that someone, like for instance Lt. Gen. Drescher, may get to believe the evidence that the nukes and other terror strikes were performed by Allignment not Ballroom and well, get really really REALLY pissed-off at those nasty people?

With a bit more forced exposure to sensible, rational, well-informed people who take that as a given, based on evidence - yes.

It's going to be a new Mesa. It's going to be a messy Mesa for some time, but a different one, with the puppetmasters gone, the slaves liberated, the seccies in responsible positions, and the former citizen class forced to deal with the rest as equals. (Emigration is probably a fine idea for many of them.)

JeffEngel wrote:

Telra wrote:Anyone else thinks that someone, like for instance Lt. Gen. Drescher, may get to believe the evidence that the nukes and other terror strikes were performed by Allignment not Ballroom and well, get really really REALLY pissed-off at those nasty people?

With a bit more forced exposure to sensible, rational, well-informed people who take that as a given, based on evidence - yes.

It's going to be a new Mesa. It's going to be a messy Mesa for some time, but a different one, with the puppetmasters gone, the slaves liberated, the seccies in responsible positions, and the former citizen class forced to deal with the rest as equals. (Emigration is probably a fine idea for many of them.)

And how much would you bet that the shredders in Manpower's offices are working overtime.

JeffEngel wrote:

Telra wrote:Anyone else thinks that someone, like for instance Lt. Gen. Drescher, may get to believe the evidence that the nukes and other terror strikes were performed by Allignment not Ballroom and well, get really really REALLY pissed-off at those nasty people?

With a bit more forced exposure to sensible, rational, well-informed people who take that as a given, based on evidence - yes.

It's going to be a new Mesa. It's going to be a messy Mesa for some time, but a different one, with the puppetmasters gone, the slaves liberated, the seccies in responsible positions, and the former citizen class forced to deal with the rest as equals. (Emigration is probably a fine idea for many of them.)

fallsfromtrees wrote:And how much would you bet that the shredders in Manpower's offices are working overtime.

Exactly how RFC deals with Manpower is going to be an interesting question, since there are two different Manpowers. The one operating off of Mesa is going to be terminated with extreme prejudice, of course. The one on Mesa, however, is a different issue given that the entire population - including the slaves - seems to be pretty comfortable with the notion of manufacturing people and either placing them with "parents" or creche raising them.

They're also pretty comfortable with the notion that people have different inherent capabilities, which runs head-on into one of our own cultural myths.

You'll notice that there's a second genetics firm that operates off-planet which has enough clout to not only have a representative on the Board, but that the representative is a Mesan Alignment member, although far enough out of the Onion to not have been evacuated with Houdini. That's going to be an interesting scene when Mike discovers that.

Given that RFC has said there are only two more books in the Honor Harrington story arc, he may not have time to deal with Mesa in the depth I'd find fascinating. On the other hand, he may be finessing the count by not including non-Honor stories in the count.

JohnRoth wrote:Exactly how RFC deals with Manpower is going to be an interesting question, since there are two different Manpowers. The one operating off of Mesa is going to be terminated with extreme prejudice, of course. The one on Mesa, however, is a different issue given that the entire population - including the slaves - seems to be pretty comfortable with the notion of manufacturing people and either placing them with "parents" or creche raising them.

They're also pretty comfortable with the notion that people have different inherent capabilities, which runs head-on into one of our own cultural myths.

I'm sure the Manpower on Mesa may as well follow its documents into the shredder.

I don't know that the seccies and the slaves are comfortable with the notion of people as chattel. They've been resigned to it, most of them, that's all. They get along with their lives, insofar as they can, with that as a background assumption.

That's not the case anymore.

Now, you've got a planet that's mostly made up of people who've been raped and abused and kicked every which way to keep them in line, as good property, who no longer have that foot on their neck. The problem for the occupational government isn't going to be breaking people of old habits of genetic castes - it's going to be keeping it from being an orgy of righteous, blood-soaked fury. And the more those occupiers find out about how it's gone - heck, the more a lot of the Mesan citizens find out just what the lives of slaves and seccies have been like, things they've been comfortably able to ignore all their lives til now - the less inclined they are likely to be even to bother stopping the bloodbath.

If some of those citizens see the light, I do think they'd be better off moving to Manticore or even Beowulf and providing deep background information in return for protection. It's not safe for them on Mesa. I'm not particularly sure it should be.

Telra wrote:Anyone else thinks that someone, like for instance Lt. Gen. Drescher, may get to believe the evidence that the nukes and other terror strikes were performed by Allignment not Ballroom and well, get really really REALLY pissed-off at those nasty people?

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I suspect that those Mesans not in the Onion are going to realize that they, or their official government, WAS under an external (to them) influence or control, if nothing else from the incident / response time delay loop.

How they respond (personally) when they realize that the Ballroom was NOT involved in any of the COG nuke strikes will likely be fury at the actual perpetrators, but, being outside the onion, they will have no specific information.

The idea of a "safe" Manty / Grayson / Beowolf / Hvenite prison to spend 20 or so years in might seem very inviting, although I doubt they have much useful "deep background" info to give.

If O'Hanrahan is still on planet, she might have useful info, she WAS in the onion, but textev does not show she had prior knowledge of the nuke strikes.
SHE might prove a useful information source.

-- Stewart

The first nuke was a joint ballroom, manticore operation.

The ballroom is like Al Qaeda, you are a member by saying you are. Which I believe the secies said. And the guy who blew up the park was in fact both know to be unstable and was given an armed nuclear weapon by a Manticoran Intel officer.

stewart wrote:

Telra wrote:Anyone else thinks that someone, like for instance Lt. Gen. Drescher, may get to believe the evidence that the nukes and other terror strikes were performed by Allignment not Ballroom and well, get really really REALLY pissed-off at those nasty people?

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I suspect that those Mesans not in the Onion are going to realize that they, or their official government, WAS under an external (to them) influence or control, if nothing else from the incident / response time delay loop.

How they respond (personally) when they realize that the Ballroom was NOT involved in any of the COG nuke strikes will likely be fury at the actual perpetrators, but, being outside the onion, they will have no specific information.

The idea of a "safe" Manty / Grayson / Beowolf / Hvenite prison to spend 20 or so years in might seem very inviting, although I doubt they have much useful "deep background" info to give.

If O'Hanrahan is still on planet, she might have useful info, she WAS in the onion, but textev does not show she had prior knowledge of the nuke strikes.
SHE might prove a useful information source.

-- Stewart

We have no textev that Hanrahan has left the planet, but there is also no textev that she was so disgusted by the callousness of the Onion's withdrawal from Mesa, that she will turn on them, and given no-one knows she is part of the Onion, and is a very powerful media star, there is no reason anyone will ask her about it.

kzt wrote:The first nuke was a joint ballroom, manticore operation.

The ballroom is like Al Qaeda, you are a member by saying you are. Which I believe the secies said. And the guy who blew up the park was in fact both know to be unstable and was given an armed nuclear weapon by a Manticoran Intel officer.

I believe the nuke was a civilian construction sector device which was acquired by the seccies themselves.

T&R
GJS

George J. Smith wrote:

kzt wrote:The first nuke was a joint ballroom, manticore operation.

The ballroom is like Al Qaeda, you are a member by saying you are. Which I believe the secies said. And the guy who blew up the park was in fact both know to be unstable and was given an armed nuclear weapon by a Manticoran Intel officer.

I believe the nuke was a civilian construction sector device which was acquired by the seccies themselves.

T&R
GJS

That's right. Anton's part was to disable the locator.

Don