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Re: Impeachment now certain
Post by The E   » Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:36 pm

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Reposting this from Twitter, just cos it's so good.

Here's an old interview with Trump about Nancy Pelosi and impeachment:
https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/stat ... 8136940556

Now, a couple of things stand out here: Not only was Trump, once upon a time, able to speak in coherent sentences, he also had the ability to form complete arguments that can actually be seen as emerging from some informed view of the world and some underlying value judgment.
That that value judgment included things like "a President who lies to the american people needs to be impeached" is just typical Donald "There's a tweet for that" Trump.
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Re: Impeachment now certain
Post by smr   » Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:43 pm

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My bad meant to say four years and I knew 125 was a little low for Obama. 135 would have been more accurate. Obama put in 268 dc judges in 8 years. 9th district just got flipped !

As far as "bad actors", their not constitutional type judges. For the most part, their replacement judges for vacancies and few bad judges that moved on. Most judges that have some ethical questions resign but one judge a few years ago refused to resign due to transgressions and I believe that Republican judge was impeached. Sorry I am old and do not care to go search for the old story.


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smr wrote:Senate's Mission? Replacing "Bad Actors" within Judiciary. 180 judges approved so far! (Record number of Judges approval!) Previous Record: 125 in 8 years(rough number) by Obama.


1) How is the Senate replacing these so-called "Bad Actors"? AFAIK all vacancies have happened "naturally" (retirement/death) - it certainly hasn't impeached any judges.
2) "Rough number" is putting it lightly. Per Wikipedia, Obama appointed 329 judges to Article III courts plus 20 to other courts.

I'm also not getting why this is being touted as such a big Trump accomplishment by Trump supporters; AFAIK he's picking names of a Federal Society list (so no effort in finding judges) and the Senate is rubber-stamping his nominations (so no political effort in getting the Senate to approve). If anyone should get the credit it would be McConnell.
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Re: Impeachment now certain
Post by Annachie   » Thu Dec 19, 2019 2:33 am

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smr wrote:Sorry I do not do facebook.

Annachie wrote:For those in the USA, in Aussie slang "Pissed" means drunk.


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 5593569205


That was the fist version I found. They don't appear to have youtubed it yet.
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Re: Impeachment now certain
Post by Annachie   » Thu Dec 19, 2019 2:52 am

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As certain as anything as it's been done.

A point was made on an admittedly leftist site, but is still an interesting point.

Mitch is spending a lot of time saying how partisan the process will be in the Senate.

The question is, why? Why is he being so public about it? Why state so publicly, and often, that the process is going to be nothing but a white wash of Trump and a fishing expedition of the Democrats?

The answer suggested was to make people not care about the Senate trial. To assume that it's a forgone conclusion.

But the only people who are relevant that such an idea would matter to are GOP Senators, or so goes the suggestion.

Mitch needs 51 votes for procedural matters relating to the trial, presumably for allowing and blocking witnesses too.

He doesn't have the numbers. Oh, the numbers are likely there to get a not guilty verdict, but not to do the whole white wash thing that Mitch, and Trump, seem to be pushing for.

You have to admit, it's an interesting suggestion.
Actually, from memory, the suggestion has been floating around for months. That some of the GOP Senators might demand a secret ballot for the guilty/not guilty vote as part of their deal to vote with Mitch in the procedural stuff.

And if that happens, any result is possible.
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Re: Impeachment now certain
Post by Eyal   » Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:16 am

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Annachie wrote:As certain as anything as it's been done.

A point was made on an admittedly leftist site, but is still an interesting point.

Mitch is spending a lot of time saying how partisan the process will be in the Senate.

The question is, why? Why is he being so public about it? Why state so publicly, and often, that the process is going to be nothing but a white wash of Trump and a fishing expedition of the Democrats?

The answer suggested was to make people not care about the Senate trial. To assume that it's a forgone conclusion.

But the only people who are relevant that such an idea would matter to are GOP Senators, or so goes the suggestion.

Mitch needs 51 votes for procedural matters relating to the trial, presumably for allowing and blocking witnesses too.

He doesn't have the numbers. Oh, the numbers are likely there to get a not guilty verdict, but not to do the whole white wash thing that Mitch, and Trump, seem to be pushing for.

You have to admit, it's an interesting suggestion.
Actually, from memory, the suggestion has been floating around for months. That some of the GOP Senators might demand a secret ballot for the guilty/not guilty vote as part of their deal to vote with Mitch in the procedural stuff.

And if that happens, any result is possible.


He might be trying to placate Trump.

McConnell has a problem in that for his purposes, it's probably best to do this as quickly as possible. Get the articles, find Trump not guilty, and hope it all blows over by the time of the elections.

Trump, however, wants a trial which will not just find him not guilty, but will show that he's innocent and that he made a "perfect" call while humiliating his opponents. He wants a spectacle with plenty of witnesses. Given Trump being, well, Trump, that's likely to be pretty painful for the Senate GOP, especially since Trump is pushing for an full exoneration while throughout this process the Republican legislators haven't really been able to mount an actual defense of Trump, the prevailing arguments seem to be mainly attacking the process or arguing that while Trump may have committed those actions they don't warrant impeachment.
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Re: Impeachment now certain
Post by cthia   » Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:23 am

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Threadjacking eh? This is the karma of criminal activity Trump has inspired for future generations to come. LOL

It is no more "certain" than it is imminent, with the Re-tards (oh, is it politically correct to call them Re-publicans?, my badd) continuing to place politics and party above Democracy and Country. What a legacy we leave for our children.

If Americans let this slide, Karma is going to have a buffet of a time chewing ass.

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Re: Impeachment now certain
Post by gcomeau   » Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:17 pm

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Looks like McConnell is trying to argue for the "trial" to not call any witnesses or subpoena any info. So, in other words, for it to not be a trial at all just be a bit of theater after which he will declare Trump acquitted.

(Because, you know, he really really believes Trump is innocent and those nasty mean Democrats had no real reason for impeachment! So he definitely doesn't want all those people and documents saying how innocent Trump is in front of the Senate. Because.... ummm...)

We will now hear the chorus of "who cares" and "that's fine" from the Trump apologist gallery as they enthusiastically cheerlead the death of the rule of law in America.
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Re: Impeachment now certain
Post by gcomeau   » Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:54 pm

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Just waiting for Trump to call Christianity Today "FAKE NEWS!" now...

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/20 ... ffice.html

Trump Should Be Removed from Office


"...But the facts in this instance are unambiguous: The president of the United States attempted to use his political power to coerce a foreign leader to harass and discredit one of the president’s political opponents. That is not only a violation of the Constitution; more importantly, it is profoundly immoral.

The reason many are not shocked about this is that this president has dumbed down the idea of morality in his administration. He has hired and fired a number of people who are now convicted criminals. He himself has admitted to immoral actions in business and his relationship with women, about which he remains proud. His Twitter feed alone—with its habitual string of mischaracterizations, lies, and slanders—is a near perfect example of a human being who is morally lost and confused.

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The impeachment hearings have illuminated the president’s moral deficiencies for all to see. This damages the institution of the presidency, damages the reputation of our country, and damages both the spirit and the future of our people. None of the president’s positives can balance the moral and political danger we face under a leader of such grossly immoral character.

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We have reserved judgment on Mr. Trump for years now. Some have criticized us for our reserve. But when it comes to condemning the behavior of another, patient charity must come first. So we have done our best to give evangelical Trump supporters their due, to try to understand their point of view, to see the prudential nature of so many political decisions they have made regarding Mr. Trump. To use an old cliché, it’s time to call a spade a spade, to say that no matter how many hands we win in this political poker game, we are playing with a stacked deck of gross immorality and ethical incompetence.

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Re: Impeachment now certain
Post by gcomeau   » Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:46 am

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And right on cue... Christianity Today is a "Far Left" magazine! Didn't you know???

So don't listen to them, fake news!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 87905?s=19

Any criticism can never be answered by arguing the merits, only deligitimized and attacked. No matter the source, if it speaks against Trump the entire publication is not to be trusted and never to have been trusted.

And that's how Trump keeps his base blissfully ignorant and believing anything he spouts.
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Re: Impeachment now certain
Post by Michael Everett   » Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:25 am

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gcomeau wrote:And that's how Trump keeps his base blissfully ignorant and believing anything he spouts.

I find that amusing given the recent rush of people celebrating that Trump has been impeached even though he hasn't been.

Both sides have people who are not only blissfully ignorant, but willfully so.
And when reality hits, they react badly...
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