Guns, Guns Guns

Daryl wrote:Smr your "For all the gun control freaks and wimps" leads me to wonder which category you place me and each of the others that disagree with you on this topic. I've already expended some testosterone in a previous post proving that I'm not a wimp, and my ownership of a number of firearms should exclude me from being a gun control freak.

Just because others don't agree that every inadequate loser should have automatic access to firearms doesn't make them contemptible. A LtCol of our SAS at the time told me years ago that he thought your gun laws were insane, good luck calling him a wimp or freak!

Those of us outside the US (and I suspect outside the bible belt there), find the concept that it is admirable to hold guns in case you need to violently depose your elected government to be traitorous and just wrong. Not to mention stupidly impracticable. A case of "Leyroy and Bubba take their 30-06s in the Chevvy pickup and go to sort out Washington". Sorry if that offends but it is how we see it.

PeterZ wrote:So resisting a government that exceeds its authority is treason?

gcomeau wrote:

PeterZ wrote:So resisting a government that exceeds its authority is treason?

Depends.

Exceeds it's authority according to whose judgement?

Because I've got news for you, any random whacko can claim the state is "exceeding it's authority" and take up arms against their own government and it pretty much always is going to be treason, yes.

So are we talking abut a bunch of idiots who think giving people healthcare was an unconstitutional communist takeover of the economy and screw the Supreme Court if those traitors said otherwise!!!!!!! Because yeah, those dumbasses taking up arms against the state would be committing treason.


Are we talking about a bunch of brain damaged morons who think the government is illegitimate because the president was secretly born in Kenya so everything it does is "exceeding it's authority"? Yeah, those jackasses taking up arms against the state would be committing treason.


Are we talking about a bunch of ignoramuses who think it's unconstitutional for the government to collect taxes so that's why it's "exceeding it's authority"? Because yeah, treason again.


Etc...

PeterZ wrote:Despite the caustic, condescending tone, I agree with this rare and I suspect brief moment of lucidity from you. Dang, even looney American socialists have their moments. Learn something every day.

thinkstoomuch wrote:

PeterZ wrote:Despite the caustic, condescending tone, I agree with this rare and I suspect brief moment of lucidity from you. Dang, even looney American socialists have their moments. Learn something every day.

Peter I am very disappointed in you. He is not a socialist by and large. More of a statist.

The Federal Government can fix all our problems. Just ask him. His opinion trumps everybody else's.

thinkstoomuch wrote:

PeterZ wrote:Despite the caustic, condescending tone, I agree with this rare and I suspect brief moment of lucidity from you. Dang, even looney American socialists have their moments. Learn something every day.

Peter I am very disappointed in you. He is not a socialist by and large. More of a statist.

The Federal Government can fix all our problems. Just ask him. His opinion trumps everybody else's.

I really do expect better from you.

Enjoy,
T2M

gcomeau wrote:

thinkstoomuch wrote:
Peter I am very disappointed in you. He is not a socialist by and large. More of a statist.

The Federal Government can fix all our problems. Just ask him. His opinion trumps everybody else's.

You know if you'd ever tried asking you might not have posted something so silly.


The Federal government is incapable of fixing all kinds of problems. I'm just not under the dogmatically delusional belief that the government is inherently the enemy or *always* less effective than the private sector at addressing issues. Because it isn't.

gcomeau wrote:You know if you'd ever tried asking you might not have posted something so silly.


The Federal government is incapable of fixing all kinds of problems. I'm just not under the dogmatically delusional belief that the government is inherently the enemy or *always* less effective than the private sector at addressing issues. Because it isn't.

thinkstoomuch wrote:

gcomeau wrote:You know if you'd ever tried asking you might not have posted something so silly.


The Federal government is incapable of fixing all kinds of problems. I'm just not under the dogmatically delusional belief that the government is inherently the enemy or *always* less effective than the private sector at addressing issues. Because it isn't.

So then you don't believe that a national law on firearms would solve the fact that Illinois has a murder rate that is ten times higher than its non-metropoolitan counties?

Because Guns, Guns, Guns is the topic.

Do you feel that I am "dogmatically delusional belief that government is inherently the enemy"? There is a vast difference between is and can be.

Peter--thank you for pointing this post out to me--is a little in error there are some parts of the "living constitution" that I am in favor of. National Parks and National Historic Sites in particular. Yeah probably the worst examples of Federal overreach (not like I don't have internal contradictions and interesting conversations between me, myself and I--"me" will figure it out one day).


T2M

thinkstoomuch wrote:

gcomeau wrote:You know if you'd ever tried asking you might not have posted something so silly.


The Federal government is incapable of fixing all kinds of problems. I'm just not under the dogmatically delusional belief that the government is inherently the enemy or *always* less effective than the private sector at addressing issues. Because it isn't.

So then you don't believe that a national law on firearms would solve the fact that Illinois has a murder rate that is ten times higher than its non-metropoolitan counties?