Guns, Guns Guns

L.A. had riots within my lifetime. In one of those riots the police chose to protect the richer parts of town and leave some others to fend for themselves. The parts heaviest hit were the Korean business districts. Hundreds of looters roamed the areas ready to burn shops and loot their contents. Those roaming groups pose a collection of multiple threats ready attack property owners

How many bullets is a shop/home owner allowed to protect his possessions or his family? Automatic weapons would allow one or two shop owners to protect themselves against many more assailants. Just what the Koreans in L.A. faced. Those circumstances have happened in different cities and several times just in my lifetime.

Annachie wrote:The thing that gets me though, apart from states trying to make it easier to loose track of lefal guns, is why any civilian would need an assault style weapon in the first place.

Here's another issue that comes up:

Define "assault-style" weapons.

Annachie wrote:The thing that gets me though, apart from states trying to make it easier to loose track of lefal guns, is why any civilian would need an assault style weapon in the first place.

In our country it includes military style rifles with large magazines and either semi auto or full auto operation. The Chinese SKK and SKS, along with the AR15 are included, while the AK47 and M16 naturally are as well.
Previous topics indicate that in the US only full auto is considered.

Donnachaidh wrote:Here's another issue that comes up:

Define "assault-style" weapons.

Annachie wrote:The thing that gets me though, apart from states trying to make it easier to loose track of lefal guns, is why any civilian would need an assault style weapon in the first place.

Yes, full automatic rifles are assault weapons. However, attempts to include the semi-auto AR-15s in an assault weapon ban did occur in the past 3 years in many States.

Annachie wrote:The thing that gets me though, apart from states trying to make it easier to loose track of lefal guns, is why any civilian would need an assault style weapon in the first place.

Sort of on topic, I think.

Why would most people need a SUV? 99.9% of the time it is a waste for 99% of the people. Minivan is much better and still a waste 99% of the time.

For that matter why does anybody need a street vehicle that can do 186 MPH right out of the box? Even in the US I think the max speed is 80 mph. Though even when the speeds were lower I owned a vehicle that would do 130+ mph, yep, I did it. In retrospect it was incredibly stupid, even on a deserted dessert road. <shrug> Good stress relief at the time. Better for me than the huge amounts of rum I was going through at the time in the long run.

For the really stupid waste a lowered SUV with low profile tires on expensive rims. With a fancy paint job and not a scratch on it. <shrug>

Trying to figure out why people do things is a losing proposition IMO.

Not my place to tell someone what they can do with their money.

Enjoy,
T2M

Annachie wrote:The thing that gets me though, apart from states trying to make it easier to loose track of lefal guns, is why any civilian would need an assault style weapon in the first place.

I vividly recall a close encounter that I once had with trespasser / drug dealers who were on my property to harvest hallucinogenic mushrooms that it turned out they were marketing to kids at the local middle school. There were two that I recognized from a previous encounter plus three more hiding in the brush to ambush me. When things got tense, I pointed out that while there were five of them and only one of me, there were eighteen rounds in my Glock. Three of them bravely ran away and the other two were not so tough.

The point is that while FBI statistics confirm that mass shootings are extremely rare even in the US, killings involving multiple assailants, either armed or not armed, are extremely common.

The more cogent question is why would you want a gun that can fire only one, or six or ten rounds?

Annachie wrote:The thing that gets me though, apart from states trying to make it easier to loose track of lefal guns, is why any civilian would need an assault style weapon in the first place.

Yeah, if you NEED it, then you´re almost guaranteed to be screwed over already.

PeterZ wrote:L.A. had riots within my lifetime. In one of those riots the police chose to protect the richer parts of town and leave some others to fend for themselves. The parts heaviest hit were the Korean business districts. Hundreds of looters roamed the areas ready to burn shops and loot their contents. Those roaming groups pose a collection of multiple threats ready attack property owners

How many bullets is a shop/home owner allowed to protect his possessions or his family? Automatic weapons would allow one or two shop owners to protect themselves against many more assailants. Just what the Koreans in L.A. faced. Those circumstances have happened in different cities and several times just in my lifetime.

1. If rapid fire from a handgun or rifle doesn´t stop a group of people, then automatic fire isn´t going to make much of a difference as they´re already determined or crazy enough to accept that some of them get hit(and probably assume/hope that it isn´t them).

2. Maybe you should start by asking why that kind of looting happens so often in USA, and rarely elsewhere? Well, except 3rd world nations...

I've noticed a tendency in your posts to be almost universally negative toward the USA no matter what the topic is, often in an incredibly rude way. I'm sure many other people on the forum would appreciate it if you could be more polite about how you make your points (whether positive or negative).

Riots aren't actually all that common in the USA. There is always significant news coverage both domestically and internationally when there is. Using Wikipedia's list of riots/civil unrest (which are not complete)there where 2 incidents in London alone in 2011 while there were 3 incidents in the USA (2 of which were related to the Occupy movement).

Also you're talking about at a nation that has about 1/2 the population of all of Europe, so the odds of any incident occurring in the USA are much higher than in any one European country.

Tenshinai wrote:2. Maybe you should start by asking why that kind of looting happens so often in USA, and rarely elsewhere? Well, except 3rd world nations...

Tenshinai wrote:
1. If rapid fire from a handgun or rifle doesn´t stop a group of people, then automatic fire isn´t going to make much of a difference as they´re already determined or crazy enough to accept that some of them get hit(and probably assume/hope that it isn´t them).

2. Maybe you should start by asking why that kind of looting happens so often in USA, and rarely elsewhere? Well, except 3rd world nations...

20 people rush in at a store owner armed with a full automatic that he has practiced with. He fires in short bursts. Compare that to the same owner firing a semi-auto AR type rifle.

The full auto will fire more bullets and potentially hit more attackers. If that was my family and lively hood at risk, I would own and be practiced in the full auto. You can feel free to choose the semi-auto.