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Has Obama helped decrease raceism?

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How do you Think President Obama has effected racism in the US?

I think President Obama has increased racism
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I think President Obama has decreased racism.
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20%
I think President Obama has had no effect on racism at all.
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30%
Hmm, I don't have an opinion.
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Has Obama helped decrease raceism?
Post by pokermind   » Sun Feb 08, 2015 9:27 am

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Many voted for President Obama for his skin color not his radical politics. Do you think President Obama has increased or decreased racism in the United States?

Feel free to discuss your answer in this thread.

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Re: Has Obama helped decrease raceism?
Post by PeterZ   » Sun Feb 08, 2015 12:18 pm

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I believe he has. He has provided many people who disagree with him a sublime example of the principles and policies they disagree with that has nothing to do with race. Also, the vociferous race baiters and their progressive apologists use the President's race to loudly claim racism where none exist. Most Americans see this and have begun to recognize race baiters as a bunch of blackmailing thugs.

The disagreements are more and more a product of differences in character and principle not the amount of pigment in the skin.
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Re: Has Obama helped decrease raceism?
Post by Zakharra   » Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:46 pm

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I think he has increased it somewhat. As PeterZ points out, those who defend the President often use the race card against the detractors of President Obama's policies. 'You're only against the President because you're a racist' is the charge. Rather than accepting that many, I would say most people, don't care what race or gender the President is, but disagree with his policies, they almost immediately smear the detractor as a racist in an effort to shut them up. I don;t like many of the President's policies, and I think he is not a good President (some reasons are his policies are anti-Constitutional and seek to circumvent the restrictions, or outright ignore the Constitution), race never comes into the equation for me. It's a difference of character and policies rather than skin color.
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Re: Has Obama helped decrease raceism?
Post by biochem   » Sun Feb 08, 2015 4:43 pm

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Obama certainly seems to view everything through a race based perspective, which is rather ironic considering how many non-African American people voted for him. Because of that his public comments, etc do emphasize racism over and over again. And if you state to minorities that whites are the problem over and over again from the position of authority, it sinks in.

Ironically if you talk to older African Americans about what racism used to be like, it becomes readily apparent that it has steadily decreased every generation. So while some racism still exists, it is a tiny fraction of the problem that it used to be and if allowed to die, will disappear almost entirely in a generation or so. Unfortunately too many people just don't want it to die, mostly those who benefit from race based politics. I don't think Obama is one of them (i.e. I don't believe he is doing this on purpose. I think that his worldview was warped by 20 years of intensive exposure to Rev Wright and that he does not realize that he is exacerbating the problem.)
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Re: Has Obama helped decrease raceism?
Post by Rod   » Sun Feb 08, 2015 10:39 pm

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It has been my observation, that those that use the racism card the most. Are the most racist of them all! Because if all you see is racism, you stop seeing the person and only see the race!!
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Re: Has Obama helped decrease raceism?
Post by Annachie   » Wed Feb 11, 2015 2:41 am

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From an outsiders view, he seems to have focused it.
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Re: Has Obama helped decrease raceism?
Post by biochem   » Wed Feb 11, 2015 12:38 pm

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Annachie wrote:From an outsiders view, he seems to have focused it.


That's my insider view as well.

I wish he'd taken the Star Trek approach (Lt Uhura was placed on the bridge as an officer, acted as an officer the same as the other non-black officers, and treated as an officer the same as the other non-black officers with no discussion about race on the show itself. The matter of fact presence of a black officer with no mention of race was incredibly effective.) That worked better. And as President he really could have pulled it off.
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Re: Has Obama helped decrease raceism?
Post by Michael Everett   » Wed Feb 11, 2015 4:33 pm

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pokermind wrote:Many voted for President Obama for his skin color not his radical politics. Do you think President Obama has increased or decreased racism in the United States?

As someone looking at it from the outside, I would have to say he's done both.
Yes, he's proven that someone who is non-white can become President, thus opening the door to others who wish to follow in his footsteps.
HOWEVER, he has also shown that he inherited at least some of his grandfathers anti-british outlook, blaming them for what happened to his ancestor in Kenya (which may not be entirely wrong given the circumstances, but the historical record seems to suggest otherwise).
His upbringing exposed him to the Hawaiian version of Islam which is far more tolerant and welcoming than the extremist perversion which constantly rages against western society. This may have left him less able to understand the threat that extremist Islam posed at first.
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Re: Has Obama helped decrease raceism?
Post by PeterZ   » Wed Feb 11, 2015 4:44 pm

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Michael Everett wrote:
pokermind wrote:Many voted for President Obama for his skin color not his radical politics. Do you think President Obama has increased or decreased racism in the United States?

As someone looking at it from the outside, I would have to say he's done both.
Yes, he's proven that someone who is non-white can become President, thus opening the door to others who wish to follow in his footsteps.
HOWEVER, he has also shown that he inherited at least some of his grandfathers anti-british outlook, blaming them for what happened to his ancestor in Kenya (which may not be entirely wrong given the circumstances, but the historical record seems to suggest otherwise).
His upbringing exposed him to the Hawaiian version of Islam which is far more tolerant and welcoming than the extremist perversion which constantly rages against western society. This may have left him less able to understand the threat that extremist Islam posed at first.


That's Indonesian version of Islam, Michael. Yes, it is a less militant version...one might even say less devout version of Islam than that found in the Middle East. At least that is what my parents have told me. They grew up there and I left when I was 6.
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Re: Has Obama helped decrease raceism?
Post by Donnachaidh   » Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:58 pm

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I wish he'd been able to do that. The fact is there have been many very serious incidents that were closely linked with race during his presidency that were part of the national conversation and he was in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" position on talking about them.

There's also the reality that the "news" organizations (I don't consider any of the TV news networks to be worthy of the name) such as Fox (among many other less well known ones) and political opponents have consistently used either overtly racist terms or racial code words when talking about him through out his presidency.

I don't know if he really wanted to talk about America's racism or not but I don't think he ever had much choice.

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Annachie wrote:From an outsiders view, he seems to have focused it.


That's my insider view as well.

I wish he'd taken the Star Trek approach (Lt Uhura was placed on the bridge as an officer, acted as an officer the same as the other non-black officers, and treated as an officer the same as the other non-black officers with no discussion about race on the show itself. The matter of fact presence of a black officer with no mention of race was incredibly effective.) That worked better. And as President he really could have pulled it off.
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