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by Weird Harold
» Thu May 08, 2014 11:10 pm
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Perhaps you missed the part where I said, "I have avoided making or endorsing any hard time frame." Any reference to a hard time frame has come from other posters, regardless of why they assigned a hard number. .
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by wastedfly
» Fri May 09, 2014 3:08 am
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Of course you have not. Otherwise it would completely invalidate your cognitive process; as much as there is anyways. Much better to pretend SD's appear instantly, perfectly operational without the ability to inflict harm on the planet infrastructure via even PDLC use let alone the grasers, cost nothing, and hospital beds can actually transition the corridors. Of course I do not know of any navy ship today a hospital bed could actually move down other than the spare few dedicated, get this, hospital ships... |
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by Weird Harold
» Fri May 09, 2014 5:34 am
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Don't put words in my mouth. I've never pretended or implied that anything happens instantly. I have suggested that moving equipment into storage while you wait for facilities to be built is wasteful, since you could be using that equipment instead of storing it. .
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by crewdude48
» Fri May 09, 2014 5:54 am
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Do you have any idea how long it takes to set up a field hospital? About 30 minutes. If there is literally no room at all to set the new stuff up immediately, set up a field hospital, or rent a warehouse, or find an unused storefront in a strip mall, move a recovery ward out there, and set up the new equipment in the old recovery ward. Once the equipment gets there, there is no way that it will take more than a week total to have an up and running trauma center, and by that time, under your plan you have, maybe, figured out who you can parole to man the SDs. And even if that was impossible, it took just over a month for my local hospital to build a new wing. Waiting that month is less wasteful than crewing and transporting those SDs. ________________
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by Duckk
» Fri May 09, 2014 7:04 am
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Wastedfly, cut it out with the insults.
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by Rakhmamort
» Fri May 09, 2014 7:44 am
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You are avoiding endorsing a hard time frame because that would mean listing down the required man hours and resources needed for your solly ships to be delivered to the receiving planets as usable space based hospital. Simply saying that too much time and resources will be used to 'fix' a minor electrical and cabling problem as your main reason why whole ships should be used is really illogical. |
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by Weird Harold
» Fri May 09, 2014 8:12 am
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I've avoided a hard time frame because I don't know what the various time frames would be -- and neither do you. The time frames would also be different for every system because every system has a different educational level and different infrastructure. .
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by The E
» Fri May 09, 2014 9:41 am
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But we do have a baseline to make these comparisons, that being what a mid-to-late 20th Century civilization can do. Assuming that every planet in the TQ has at least that level of sophistication (and there are no indications otherwise) gives us a hard upper boundary on timeframes. We know how long it would take us to build or expand a hospital; the assumption that a planet in the honorverse that has regular contact with other planets will have better techniques is a valid one to make. Based on these assumptions, I estimated that even in the worst case where a completely new building would have to be built and equipment shipped in from places as far off as Haven or the Andermani Empire, the whole process would take only about 6 months to a year, maximum. From that assumption, my objection to your plan of mobilizing SDs comes; I am simply unable to see what kind of substantial benefit can be gained from a measure that can be obsoleted and shut down in a year's time, and involves significant effort from the military side of things (which is already swamped in terms of tasking at this time). |
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by Rakhmamort
» Fri May 09, 2014 11:01 am
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Lets see... During battles you have damage control crews that can repair damaged control runs, power cables etc. They have to do the work in hours if not minutes. Hell, they even move around several tons worth of missiles from one magazine to another. I guess removing equipment and taking them to the boat bay would be a minor task for them. Removing the equipment from an SD wouldn't take longer than a week with 2 damage control parties doing the job. That would be at most 20 people. I give you 100 man days for disassembly and packing. I'd triple that for assembly and integration. 400 man days plus transport. That's my estimate. How many POWs do you need for an SD? How long to get them? How long is the travel time? How many guards would they need per SD, how long would the guards be guarding them? Etc. |
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by Alyeska
» Sun May 11, 2014 5:22 am
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I am sorry, but, honestly, about the only thing I can see the things being usefull for, is to sell off to a couple of the indipandants in the area, and around the verge or shell that will find themselves in need of protection from the people that used to be protecting them.
The issue is that the techbase used by the GA is so far diferent from the solly techbase as to basicly make them nearly incompatable. Oh sure, there are stuff on the solly ships that can be used, and I am sure the talbotters would enjoy striping the monsters down for the usable systems, but, that can be done just as easily as the ships are being broken up for scrap, as anything else. For the GA the ships are efectivly useless hunks of metal, and will never be anything but. On the other hand, the GA does have groups associated with it, that are not included in the GA techbase, thay might have use for the solly SDs, but, the task of transportation and more, might make it a bit difacult to preform such an action. From my read, I expect a fair number of the solly systems have some sort of defence force, in cases, I expect that will include sds, such as beowolf has. Giving them to the talbotters to referbish would be a waste of effert, as the step from solly tech to GA tech is suffecent that it would be better to make it without the sidestep that rebuilding the sds would be. On the other hand, I really hate the idea of scraping them, but, for the GA thay are useless other than as raw materials. To use them, even poorly, would require training people to the solly system of operation, not to the GA system, when thay did finnaly replace them, thay would have to retrain everyone from scratch just about. I would also expect, that say Talbott, will have lacs and lac crews coming out in usefull numbers, before thay could get the first of the solly sds to a usable state, just based on crewing requirements. Yes, there is some value using them as a shill, poorly crewed but moving and operational, to scare off the solly raiding partys, but, I do not really see a resonable way to do so. |
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