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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by namelessfly   » Sat Aug 16, 2014 11:35 am

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It constantly amazes me that people who demonstrate their eagerness to internalize the constraints of societ fail to understand that their society is so peaceful because they and almost all of their fellow citizens choose to internalize those restraints. Australia has a much lower homicide rate than the US not because you have strict gun control laws but because you have an overwhelming majority who refuse to obey society's laws. What few criminals Australia has are extremely averse to taking human life.

This is not true in America. We have a huge underclass comprised of a segment of the African-American community and the illegal immigrant community that reject society's laws. African-American children grow up in "families" where they endure a horrendous homicide rate from their own family members who beat, bludgeon, strangle and stab them to death. Their homicide victimization rate is actually at it's near highest peak when they are newborns, declines steadily but remains horrific as they grow older. Is it any wonder that those who survive such abusive environments grow up to be angry young men that murder, rape and rob at a rate that Australians can visualize only by watching a ROAD WARRIOR movie?


Daryl wrote:Different approaches. Our national Aged Pension is paid at the same rate as the national Disability Pension at around $25k a year single rate plus various supplements. I administer the financial affairs of two very separate elderly relatives both of who have lived alone in their own homes. Despite only having this pension both have increased their bank balances over the past five years. Yet I know other friends who are professionals on over $100k a year who are always in financial trouble. My theory is that if people were to live at a 1970s lifestyle level of no take away foods or SUVs or multiple modern toys and so forth, they would all live well.

On the gun discussion, if I was a small businessman in some parts of the USA I would also keep guns for protection. As it is I'm glad that our society does not require that I do. My guns are for hunting and sport, as it would take too long for me to get them out of mandated separate storage in the unlikely event of an armed burglary. Mind you I just happen to have several display swords around & the razor sharp one and a half hand bastard broad sword would be my first choice.

On survivalist topics; I didn't plan it but just happen to live on a defensible hill, with a 200mtr drive way, own water, sewerage and electrical power, stocks of food plus large vegetable gardens. Come Armageddon I'll stick it out initially then relocate to my sister's outback place that is similar but much more so.

smr wrote:Pokermind, I do not know how you survive on disability because I can not survive on it. It's impossible to survive on it without supplemental income. My heart and prayers go out to you and your family.

Gun Control is really about 3 issues. Does the majority have a right to self-defense and protection of a person's home/business? St. Louis, MO, USA demonstrates the conclusive need for right to bear arms. Did the the government stop the rioting in a timely fashion? No! The businesses that survived had people with guns protecting them. They did not shoot anyone but their businesses were not destroyed! The rioters just went to unguarded businesses to loot. The second issue is control. Does a person become a victim by being defenseless or does the government empower the people to protect themselves in a bad situation? That's the real question is does a person become a sheep/lamb or a badger. (A badger is small animal that is extremely deadly when cornered or in their lair. A bear will avoid cornering a badger.) I have been a victim and decided I would rather be a badger. Better to shot as a wolf than slaughtered like a lamb. The third issue, their are times when civilization breaks down, anarchy rules, and evil walks the Earth. Look at Iraq, I would be dead now because I would not renounce the Lord. The issue in this case is self-defense and self-protection against the government (tyrants) or would usurpers.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by smr   » Sat Aug 16, 2014 9:45 pm

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What happens to the stores when the police quit doing their job! The store owners are outside their doors protecting their own businesses.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/16/there-are-no-police-ferguson-store-owners-guard-businesses-with-own-guns-lack/

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The problem started with Welfare. In my opinion, this program was designed to break the Black family unit. One a woman could receive money for having a child out of wedlock. The men were able to ditch their family obligations. This broke the blacks as a race because they were the most hard working people in America at that time. It removed the father from the family which caused the deterioration of the family. America is reaping the results of creating a permanent underclass due to welfare, section 8 housing, medicaid, and food stamps. All total, a person using these types of benefits can receive between 40,000 to 67,000 us dollars depending on where they live. That's why we have half of US population receiving some sort of assistance. We had started to correct the problem in the 1990's. Now, the current clown in chief wrote an executive order to disregard the welfare reform act or law. The problem is people will move to 3 states and take a job. Then they quit and go on welfare in several states. The problem is the fault of politicians and the American public. For too long we have kept quiet while America was being destroyed from the inside out due race politics, cronyism, corruption, and greed by the American public. The responsibility is ours and we let ourselves be bought off by how much we made on the stock market. These days are soon to come to an end, we will reap what we have sown in our garden.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by smr   » Sun Aug 17, 2014 3:49 am

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I went into John Ringo's Tavern Forum and saw this beauty.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/08/gun-linux-on-the-range-with-trackingpoints-new-ar-15s/2/

Boy, I sure can dream for something like this. Wow! Too bad I will never be able to afford this! My cadillac of firearms and I will never own one!
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by Daryl   » Sun Aug 17, 2014 4:52 am

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I like the 300 Blackout cartridge. As John Ringo himself says the 5.56 weapons are "Barbie Guns".
The AK rounds have much better stopping power at realistic ranges, and this round is a modern equivalent but just a little better.
Having used many such, the Steyr AUG is a remarkable weapon (I even got 7 out of 10 nominal range kills at 500mtrs) although the calibre is just too small, while I found the M16 to be not as accurate at distance or as handy as the bull pup. I used my SKK and SKS (Chinese semiauto AK equiv) for wild boar hunting & they did an excellent job on human sized game, while the 5.56 just didn't stop them safely. Lost all my semi autos to the gun buy back, but it was the overall right thing for the country, and my family no longer have the sheep station (ranch to the US) anyway.


smr wrote:I went into John Ringo's Tavern Forum and saw this beauty.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/08/gun-linux-on-the-range-with-trackingpoints-new-ar-15s/2/

Boy, I sure can dream for something like this. Wow! Too bad I will never be able to afford this! My cadillac of firearms and I will never own one!
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by smr   » Sun Aug 17, 2014 5:29 am

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You can purchase the version that fires the heavier NATO round. It just costs a boatload more money.


Note: removed info on Knight Arms because the military variant that allowed the upper receivers to be changed are no longer sold.


Daryl wrote:I like the 300 Blackout cartridge. As John Ringo himself says the 5.56 weapons are "Barbie Guns".
The AK rounds have much better stopping power at realistic ranges, and this round is a modern equivalent but just a little better.
Having used many such, the Steyr AUG is a remarkable weapon (I even got 7 out of 10 nominal range kills at 500mtrs) although the calibre is just too small, while I found the M16 to be not as accurate at distance or as handy as the bull pup. I used my SKK and SKS (Chinese semiauto AK equiv) for wild boar hunting & they did an excellent job on human sized game, while the 5.56 just didn't stop them safely. Lost all my semi autos to the gun buy back, but it was the overall right thing for the country, and my family no longer have the sheep station (ranch to the US) anyway.


smr wrote:I went into John Ringo's Tavern Forum and saw this beauty.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/08/gun-linux-on-the-range-with-trackingpoints-new-ar-15s/2/

Boy, I sure can dream for something like this. Wow! Too bad I will never be able to afford this! My cadillac of firearms and I will never own one!
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by namelessfly   » Sun Aug 17, 2014 10:33 am

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It astonishes me that someone as obviously inowledgable about guns as you are could allow themselves to be conned into believing thatnthe gun buyback served a useful purpose. Maas killings are very rare, statistical anamolies. The US experience is that standard, pump action shotguns could be even deadlier than semi autos before antigun propaganda inspired would be mass shooters to change their weapons preference. The deadliest mass murder incident by a lone assailant in the US was the Happyland Social Club fire in NYC which killed nearly 100 people. Driving a large pickup at high speed through crowded pedestrian mall would be even deadlier. Will you be banning "rue guards?"



Daryl wrote:I like the 300 Blackout cartridge. As John Ringo himself says the 5.56 weapons are "Barbie Guns".
The AK rounds have much better stopping power at realistic ranges, and this round is a modern equivalent but just a little better.
Having used many such, the Steyr AUG is a remarkable weapon (I even got 7 out of 10 nominal range kills at 500mtrs) although the calibre is just too small, while I found the M16 to be not as accurate at distance or as handy as the bull pup. I used my SKK and SKS (Chinese semiauto AK equiv) for wild boar hunting & they did an excellent job on human sized game, while the 5.56 just didn't stop them safely. Lost all my semi autos to the gun buy back, but it was the overall right thing for the country, and my family no longer have the sheep station (ranch to the US) anyway.


smr wrote:I went into John Ringo's Tavern Forum and saw this beauty.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/08/gun-linux-on-the-range-with-trackingpoints-new-ar-15s/2/

Boy, I sure can dream for something like this. Wow! Too bad I will never be able to afford this! My cadillac of firearms and I will never own one!
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by namelessfly   » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:23 pm

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Just thought that I would post this for all of the folk who think that the Fergusson shooting was unjustified.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08 ... ike-brown/
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by The E   » Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:01 am

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namelessfly wrote:Just thought that I would post this for all of the folk who think that the Fergusson shooting was unjustified.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08 ... ike-brown/


The shooting may have been justified.

The unilateral escalation of the issue that followed wasn't.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by namelessfly   » Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:31 am

namelessfly

The E wrote:
namelessfly wrote:Just thought that I would post this for all of the folk who think that the Fergusson shooting was unjustified.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08 ... ike-brown/


The shooting may have been justified.

The unilateral escalation of the issue that followed wasn't.



Who did the escalating?
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by namelessfly   » Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:32 am

namelessfly

Thought this would provoke some thought.

http://www.westernfreepress.com/2014/08 ... ve-on-cnn/
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