Guns, Guns Guns

MAD-4A wrote:

gcomeau wrote:What is the overall nationwide incidence of mass shootings in France vs. the US? THAT is the measure of the effectiveness of gun control.

Yes, because France is the same size and has the same population and mix of population as America, Really?

That's why per capita statistics exist genius.

MAD, those guys on the train showed the fundamental lie in the yay gun lobby in the US. It doesn't take a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun.
It just takes a good guy.

Anyway, it seems that gun theft from farms is on the increase again down here.
The police blame the rise in gang activity, but personally I think the farmers are getting careless with them.

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More like God ensured the AK jammed. Thank you for giving those guys a chance, Lord. Inshallah? Not this time you jihadi pig fisker!

The last sentence was not directed you, Annachie.

Annachie wrote:MAD, those guys on the train showed the fundamental lie in the yay gun lobby in the US. It doesn't take a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun.
It just takes a good guy.

Anyway, it seems that gun theft from farms is on the increase again down here.
The police blame the rise in gang activity, but personally I think the farmers are getting careless with them.

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You do realise that from the other perspective, 3 bad guys, aided by Satan, prevented a good guy from doing Gods work.
Probably why I hate religion.

(If pig fisking was something to do with cooking and eating bacon I wouldn't care if you did )

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PeterZ wrote:More like God ensured the AK jammed. Thank you for giving those guys a chance, Lord. Inshallah? Not this time you jihadi pig fisker!

By that logic, any terrorist attack that succeeds must have some form of blessing from God.

Nice to get confirmation that he still is a sociopathic kid with an ant farm.

MAD-4A wrote:Yes, because France is the same size and has the same population and mix of population as America, Really? No...France is more like Massachusetts without the diversity, ok, Texas in land area & NY, Florida & Cali in Population. nowhere close to the U.S. as a whole, & yes, ya'll keep insisting that anti-gun laws will stop gun crime, so, yes we keep pointing out - no it doesn't - duh. You can't stop criminals from committing crimes by making more crimes for them to commit. They just commit more of them.
"Well, it's your first offence so, we were going to let you go on the mass murder charge, but you had the gun illegally so we can't let you go on that charge, we have a mandatory penalty for possessing an illegal gun of guillotining. You should have used an ax instead, we'd of let you go then, sorry. Off with his head!!!"

Funny thing there, Massachusetts has roughly similar levels of European ancestry in its people as France has. About 80-85%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France#Demographics
It is currently estimated that 40% of the French population is descended at least partially from the different waves of immigration the country has received since the early 20th century

France has about 1/5th USAs population. Just throwing out 3 of the most highly populated areas isn´t much comparison.

ya'll keep insisting that anti-gun laws will stop gun crime, so, yes we keep pointing out - no it doesn't - duh.

Except you have consistently failed miserably in that.

Murder by gun statistics per 100,000 residents-
Australia 0.11
France 0.22
New Zealand 0.26
Sweden 0.19
USA 3.55

Yep, having guns for self defence works a treat - not.

There will always be people who break laws, but over time laws will reduce the opportunity to do the wrong thing, and society's expectations will also reduce the motivation.

The E wrote:

PeterZ wrote:More like God ensured the AK jammed. Thank you for giving those guys a chance, Lord. Inshallah? Not this time you jihadi pig fisker!

By that logic, any terrorist attack that succeeds must have some form of blessing from God.

Nice to get confirmation that he still is a sociopathic kid with an ant farm.

To each his own. Enjoy yourself.

Not the laws themselves, but a commitment to obey the laws. The advantage all those societies have is a greater commitment to obey the laws its members live under. Guns or their absence impacts that very little indeed. Addressing the causes of that sort of lawlessness is one of the challenges we face in the US. That statistic had been falling regularly in the past 2-3 decades. Recently that trend has reversed.

Daryl wrote:Murder by gun statistics per 100,000 residents-
Australia 0.11
France 0.22
New Zealand 0.26
Sweden 0.19
USA 3.55

Yep, having guns for self defence works a treat - not.

There will always be people who break laws, but over time laws will reduce the opportunity to do the wrong thing, and society's expectations will also reduce the motivation.

Annachie wrote:MAD, those guys on the train showed the fundamental lie in the yay gun lobby in the US. It doesn't take a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun...It just takes a good guy.

No, it takes several good guys against 1 incompetent moron of a bad guy. If he had any competence what so ever then all 3 of the UNARMED men, as well as dozens of passengers would all be dead. where if they had been armed then they would of had a chance against a competent bad guy.

"I saw a man with what I think was an AK-47 -- anyway, it was some kind of machine gun or submachine gun. So my first reaction was to sit down and hide"this is what the rest of the passengers did, why? because they didn't have a gun.

Annachie wrote:but personally I think the farmers are getting careless with them.

Yes, definitely, they are way more carless today, "carelessly" locking up their guns in easy-to-find gun-safes with trigger locks in-place. Unlike 20-30 years ago when they were "safely" left on unlocked wooden racks hanging against the back window of their unlocked pickups or left “well hidden”, leaning in the corner, behind the door. My grandfather had an over&under on a rack behind the head of his bed and a 12 gauge pump in his closet, leaning "safely" in the corner. & my grandmother had a loaded 32 hidden under her mattress. Not like my "carless" brother and his gun-safe.