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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by Michael Everett   » Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:17 am

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PeterZ wrote:Because felons have proven they will not support the law. They have violated the social contract between citizens. Why trust them with weapons and allow them to more thoroughly violate our social contract?

Hold it! Hold it!

When did logic enter into this highly-emotional argument?

After all, everyone knows that when logic and emotion go head to head, logic loses even if it's proven right later.
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Okay, approaching this seriously now. As an Englishman, I'm almost naturally in favor of strict firearm registration and certification. On the other hand, I fully understand that there are many areas in America where predators prowl, looking for a meal and as such, firearms are almost a survival necessity in those places.
Furthermore, the tendency towards individualism in America combined with their recent civil war (they had theirs in 1861 whereas we English got ours out of the way by 1651, over two centuries prior) mean that many adults in America probably remember their grandparents telling them about how their pappy only lived because his gun was nearby when those damn Unionists/Confeds attacked without warning etc etc. This generational storytelling impresses on young children the need to have guns and as most people admit, it is the lessons learned in childhood that dictate how the person acts as an adult.
As the branch is twisted, so shall it grow.
Raise a child with stories of how a gun saved their ancestors life, the child will see guns as good and a solution to problems.
Raise a child who saw a relative killed by a gunman, the child will see guns as bad.
As yet, no children orphaned by firearms have (as far as we know) dressed up as a flying mammal to fight crime, despite instructions in the media as to how it's done.

This is an issue that is truly a multi-generational one.
It will not be easily solved, but education is probably a good start. Teach kids to think things through and they're less likely to reach for the gun as the first resort when they reach adulthood.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by Spacekiwi   » Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:18 am

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So anyone with a speeding ticket or a dui shouldnt be allowed a gun then? They broke the law after all.....


PeterZ wrote:Because felons have proven they will not support the law. They have violated the social contract between citizens. Why trust them with weapons and allow them to more thoroughly violate our social contract?
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by PeterZ   » Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:55 am

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So speeding is a common law felony downunder?

Spacekiwi wrote:So anyone with a speeding ticket or a dui shouldnt be allowed a gun then? They broke the law after all.....


PeterZ wrote:Because felons have proven they will not support the law. They have violated the social contract between citizens. Why trust them with weapons and allow them to more thoroughly violate our social contract?
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by Annachie   » Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:12 am

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I was going to say something a bit iffy but then I realized I was about to refer to something from about 50 pages ago so I xan understand if Spacekiwi forgot it.

Serious crimes. Domestic violance. Gun violance.

Although thinking about it, if you repeat dui that might be good grounds too.

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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by PeterZ   » Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:11 am

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Annachie wrote:I was going to say something a bit iffy but then I realized I was about to refer to something from about 50 pages ago so I xan understand if Spacekiwi forgot it.

Serious crimes. Domestic violance. Gun violance.

Although thinking about it, if you repeat dui that might be good grounds too.

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Absolutely. Here in Colorado, if one has a medical marijuana card, one cannot purchase a fire arm. People who require mild hallucinogens to treat ailments are considered too impaired to own firearms.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by smr   » Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:34 am

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That just means that they purchase an unregistered or stolen firearm!

If the politicians were serious about gun violence, they would crack down on illegal storefronts (homes) that cater to people who can not own or purchase legal guns. The gangs, criminals, and various people use these places to acquire weapons also they use these types of places to dispose of weapons.

PeterZ wrote:
Annachie wrote:I was going to say something a bit iffy but then I realized I was about to refer to something from about 50 pages ago so I xan understand if Spacekiwi forgot it.

Serious crimes. Domestic violance. Gun violance.

Although thinking about it, if you repeat dui that might be good grounds too.

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Absolutely. Here in Colorado, if one has a medical marijuana card, one cannot purchase a fire arm. People who require mild hallucinogens to treat ailments are considered too impaired to own firearms.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by smr   » Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:43 am

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Let's get to the root of the gun violence.

In no particular order:

1. Graphic violent movies
2. 1st pov shooter games
3. Domestic violence
4. Criminal history
5. Chemical abusers
6. Alcohol abusers
7. Mental illness
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by Michael Everett   » Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:49 am

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smr wrote:Let's get to the root of the gun violence.

In no particular order:

1. Graphic violent movies
2. 1st pov shooter games
3. Domestic violence
4. Criminal history
5. Chemical abusers
6. Alcohol abusers
7. Mental illness

You forgot "Education or lack thereof".
If you don't teach a child to think before acting, they'll generally respond emotionally and be susceptible to rumor, random preachers and pseudo-logic that makes them feel special.

A good example is martial arts. You don't hear about a blackbelt going on a rampage as by the time they reach that level, they have learned to control themselves no matter the provocation.

As you teach the child, you provide the foundation and framework for the adult.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by smr   » Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:26 am

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Take Washington DC, the average citizen can not carry a weapon. What would you do in this situation?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/10/06/robbery-victim-who-took-matters-into-his-own-hands-during-fatal-shooting-acted-in-self-defense-police/
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by PeterZ   » Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:35 am

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smr wrote:Take Washington DC, the average citizen can not carry a weapon. What would you do in this situation?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/10/06/robbery-victim-who-took-matters-into-his-own-hands-during-fatal-shooting-acted-in-self-defense-police/


Ayup! Seconds count when police are minutes away. Concealed carry would have helped here.
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