Honorverse ramblings and musings

Well, let's look at the Nazi subs that defected during WW2. Oh right, there weren't any.

Well, how about those Soviet subs that defected? Oh right, there weren't any.

There was at least one single-place soviet fighter that defected and I think there might have been one or more Nazi aircraft that did the same, but not anything with a crew larger than 3 or 4. So historically, this isn't something that happens.

kzt wrote:Well, let's look at the Nazi subs that defected during WW2. Oh right, there weren't any.

Well, how about those Soviet subs that defected? Oh right, there weren't any.

There was at least one single-place soviet fighter that defected and I think there might have been one or more Nazi aircraft that did the same, but not anything with a crew larger than 3 or 4. So historically, this isn't something that happens.

Now wait a minute. A poster just irritated the hell out of me ranting on about me not playing within the bounds of textev and Pearls. When I do, then you venture out.

There's a secret cabal here on the forum. lol

Besides, Red October did defect!

Fiction <=> Sci-Fi <=> Comme ci, comme ça.

Edit:
During the Cold War, a number of pilots from various nations (Eastern Bloc, Western Bloc, and non-aligned) defected with their aircraft to other countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_C ... defections

Mig-25 defection: How a Soviet Pilot Brought a Secret Warplane To The West
https://theaviationist.com/2013/07/19/foxbat-defection/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Belenko
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-hist ... e-in-japan

And quite a bit of tech defectors.

Sure, the evidence is that you can't fully trust vehicles crewed by a single person. There hasn't been any evidence of any single place starships in the Honorverse (much less any MA ones) so that isn't likely to be how anyone gets a streak drive.

kzt wrote:Sure, the evidence is that you can't fully trust vehicles crewed by a single person. There hasn't been any evidence of any single place starships in the Honorverse (much less any MA ones) so that isn't likely to be how anyone gets a streak drive.

Or, that you just can't trust people, (for lack of enough data points.)

Never said it was likely. Said it was possible.

kzt wrote:Well, let's look at the Nazi subs that defected during WW2. Oh right, there weren't any.

Well, how about those Soviet subs that defected? Oh right, there weren't any.

There was at least one single-place soviet fighter that defected and I think there might have been one or more Nazi aircraft that did the same, but not anything with a crew larger than 3 or 4. So historically, this isn't something that happens.

Red October was (loosly) based on a Soviet Frigate which tried to defect, when the Political officer led a barratry. The Frigate was intercepted shy of Western waters by the Soviet Navy.

Hi Cthia,

I hope your beautiful 'trophy wife' is gorgeous!
Though the term 'trophy wife' seems a bit insulting even as a joke.
And I'm glad you write big checks.

That said, methinks thou dost protest too much.

Given I've posted ~60 times this year, which is rather low for me ought to indicate I'm not interested in running my post numbers up; while you've posted around 660 times including lots of single word or one liner type sentences, it seems obvious who's posting the most, for whatever reason.

Why is very curious, since no one (at least until now) I know of ever injected their post numbers into a thread discussion before, which reinforces the obvious question.

The last time I noticed yours was evidently a couple thousand back.

Averaging over seven [7] often inane posts per day since you joined seems like someone trying to get some kind of attention despite "not having the luxury of much time", especially when you claim you don't know or understand very much about the honor-verse etc.

So why do you post here so much, yet share so little that's actually informative?

Anyone can make silly suggestions or ask quirky questions, or set up threads to generate high post rates; yet you could play a much more positive role.

Now a few of your posts have been brilliant, and some rather clever or entertaining, which is why I haven't barred you [though I've never barred anyone] from my personal reading list but so many, possibly most of your posts seem almost brainless unless you're trying to troll.

Since you appear not to understand, imagine some topic or hobby at which you are really an expert; possibly chess like your much touted grand daughter.

Now imagine there's someone constantly posing silly, stupid or ludicrous if not impossible new chess problems, or possible explanations for why the pieces move the way they do or for some arcane rule, or filling in some corner of chess lore and history with something they just made up, etc, etc.

The first few dozen times you're patient with them, generous and helpful in explaining how and why they're wrong, in the hope they'll learn and improve the content of their comments.

But instead they keep on with their prattle, and after hundreds of such comments, its just gets boring; and after a couple thousand plus, its simply tiresome.

My low posting rate is a result of personal business that's keeps me from reading all the previous posts in interesting threads since I'd like to avoid redundant comments, which is why I haven't posted much for month's; but I was so pleased at how succinct the three previous responses to your latest inane ideas, that I had to praise the brevity of their wit.

Taking umbrage at my praise of their genius is your problem, but you don't have to demonstrate so much contextual nonsense.

The fact your latest ignorant idea quickly generated two pages of posts explaining why it was obviously not possible, which a little thinking on your part should have realized, might indicate what you need to work on, if good ideas is really what you're seeking to promote.

Or is it simply to trigger lots of responses?

Regarding the absurdity of scaring off newbies, given their growth NTM the fact I've gone out of my way to welcome them and thank and praise them for their good if not brilliant ideas since I became one of the early members here, is just more evidence of trying to smear me on your part.

So that tired old pathetic retread/red herring/straw man argument is an obvious nonstarter to any veteran poster here, but you keep trotting it out.

Regarding your timid Romanian friends, I've met Romanians and they're not shy about sharing their opinions even when their knowledge of English isn't perfect.

When you brought this up the last time I extended another personal welcome to them as I have to all limited English posters since joining Baen's Bar over ten years ago; given the evident fans RFC has in Eastern Europe, their continued anonymity is most mysterious, especially given all the translation apps.

I don't know any poster here who'd make fun of obvious honest grammar or spelling errors, especially after introducing themselves; assuming the monitors would let them, so stop blaming the forum for their reticence.

Given the negative reaction of so many other posters, I think reducing your ignorant idea quotient would increase their respect for you, so please consider that advice.

L


[quote="cthia"]Lyonheart.

Here we go again. You come out of the woodworks and start slinging mud. Silly questions? Blogging just to try to impress? Facebook selfies? I went through this with you a year or two back. I don't intend to again. This is the last time.

I don't see a need to impress anyone in a forum. Does anyone here on the forum have the type of credentials I need to impress? Is anyone the President? Not that I see a reason to impress him either.

Facebook selfies? I'm not even registered with Facebook. Or Twitter. I am not a social media whore. Although I do chat with family and friends and colleagues on skype. I've never had the [i]need[/i] to impress anyone - unless they were wearing a skirt. You got one of those? Kilts don't count - there are real men under there for certain. Been to Scotland and Ireland more than a time or two under a not so gentle breeze.

I was aware that it was a snotty question, but I've never been afraid to ask questions. It got me far in school. I actually got a diploma. It's real purty too. Yet, I was [i]honestly[/i] curious. If you're going to condemn questions to being silly, then newbies will ever steer clear. And many foreigners as well. I've long since given up on trying to persuade my foreign friends to join because of people like you. They love the series. But rather be doing much more with their time than be verbally assaulted. Ph.d's normally do. Sometimes I do feel "silly" by remaining in the forum and putting up with people like you. But I've learned that most people in the forum just wanna have fun and communicate about the series - like I. And there's always going to be someone committing [i]malum in se,[/i] like you.

I don't know the series as well as you think. I don't know an im-peller from a pro-peller. Or a sidewall from drywall. And I don't own an Honorverse manual. A Jayne's manual. A ships and engines manual or anything else not standard issue. I don't have that luxury of time. And I haven't gotten around to reading all of the spinoffs. Heck, some of the mainline novels I've only read once. And I apologize for that. That's why I steer clear of technical threads.

Yet, if [i]you[/i] need to waste three posts calling me silly, then I guess that highlights who among us is impressed by post count - its certainly not me. And since it is obvious that you have nothing decent to add to the discussion, I suppose name calling is your only outlet to achieve your post count.

And if you still doubt that I'm not a social media whore who certainly feels no need to impress nameless faces on a forum, as this is my first and only social media site and will most likely be my last, do remember this, as I thought I long since made perfectly clear...

Cthia doesn't need to impress anyone. He's already happily married to a beautiful and brilliant trophy wife of a skirt. And he writes his own check. Now repeat after me until it sticks...

"Cthia has a beautiful trophy wife and he writes his own check."

Now repeat this until [i]it[/i] [u]sticks[/u]...

"Cthia writes himself a big check too."[/quote]

Lyonheart.

...When you brought this up the last time I extended another personal welcome to them as I have to all limited English posters since joining Baen's Bar over ten years ago; given the evident fans RFC has in Eastern Europe, their continued anonymity is most mysterious, especially given all the translation apps.

I've been trying to raise you for years man...

It. Isn't. Mysterious. At. All.



My impeccable upbringing requires me to thank you for the vote that some of my posts are brilliant, or entertaining, or clever. I shoot for thought-provoking at times as well, and humorous. (Wish everyone would post more in the humor thread, but I guess that requires anotsodislocated funny bone.) But glad I've accomplished what I set out to do.

Yet, I really don't wanna respond to this post. Tell you what, before I waste more of my time as apparently I'm doing with yours, Is there any chance at all, that you'll just do us both a favor and bar me already?!!! Would you please? I'm begging man! Because this one brainstorm of yours is the closest thing to brilliance I've ever gotten out of you.


Thanks. In advance.

During Honor's campaign, Cutworm I think it was, of popping in and out of random Peep systems to keep them off balance and exhausted, I always tried to imagine what was going on in these poor systems at the microscopic level.

I would imagine that many of the crew are off the ship on shore leave - figuring that they'd have plenty of time to catch a shuttle back to the ship before it breaks orbit to intercept an incoming attack? Barring the contingency plans that Honor already had emplaced for a hasty breaking of orbit when she went after the Q-ship, I suppose that a warship in orbit may allow officers shore leave?

Yet, since Oyster Bay the MA may have forced the RMN to chang SOP, since there may be no warning before an attack. That should serve to screw with the conditions onboard.

At the microscopic level there must be many pinnaces and shuttles quickly en route to the ship during raids. I wonder how the logistics of that is handled - people visiting family and friends all over the planet when a Case Zulu or an attack comes over the hyper wall. Local traffic must have their own form of ACS to handle so many pinnaces and shuttles in local space leaving the planet.

Pearl Harbor and 911 forced many changes in SOP, as probably did Oyster Bay.

Another disconnect of mine everytime I read...

A Rising Thunder: Chapter One

“Get your goddamned ships the hell out of my space!”

The burly, dark-haired man on Commander Pang Yau-pau’s com was red-faced and snarling, and Pang took a firm a grip on his own temper.

“I’m afraid that’s not possible, Commodore Chalker,” he replied as courteously as the circumstances permitted. “My orders are to protect Manticoran vessels passing through this terminus on their way home to Manticoran space.”

“I don’t give a damn about your ‘orders,’ Commander!” Commodore Jeremy Chalker spat back. His six destroyers were 2.4 million kilometers—eight light-seconds—from Pang’s cruiser, and one might have thought it would be difficult to maintain a properly infuriated conversation over such a distance, especially with the delays light-speed transmissions built into its exchanges. Chalker seemed able to manage it quite handily, however. “You’re in violation of my star system’s sovereignty, you’ve evicted Solarian Astro Control personnel from their duty stations, and I want your ass gone!”

“Sir, it’s not my intention to violate anyone’s sovereignty,” Pang replied, choosing to let the rather thornier question of the Solly traffic controllers lie. “My sole interest at this time is the protection of the Star Empire’s merchant vessels.”

Sixteen more seconds ticked past, and then—

“Shut your mouth, return control of this terminus to the personnel whose control stations you’ve illegally seized, and turn your ass around now, or I will by God open fire on the next fucking Manty freighter I see!”

Pang Yau-pau’s normally mild brown eyes hardened, and he inhaled deeply.

“Skipper,” a quiet voice said.

It is good to see an Asian American at the helm.

How was Commander Pang Yau-pau able to gain control of ACS without a fight? A navy can't just have control of its terminii handed over so easily for the asking. Now I know that ACS is a civilian agency in the RMN and you can't expect them to resist force. Yet I don't imagine that control of a Manty ACS is going down like that.

Anyways, a few paragraphs later...

At the moment, Onyx, her sister ship Smilodon, the Roland-class destroyer Tornado and the much older destroyer Othello were over six hundred and fifty light-years from the Manticore Binary System and barely two hundred light-years from the Sol System. It was not a particularly huge force to have wandering around so deep in increasingly hostile territory, as Pang was only too well aware. In fact, Nolan was a protectorate system of the Solarian League, and Chalker was an SLN officer, the senior Frontier Fleet officer present. He looked old for his rank, which suggested a certain lack of familial connections within the SLN, although he must have at least some influence to have ended up with the Nolan command. The system’s proximity to the Nolan Terminus of the Nolan-Katharina Hyper Bridge was what had brought it to the Office of Frontier Security’s attention a hundred-odd T-years ago, and the local OFS and Frontier Fleet officers had been raking off a comfortable percentage of the terminus user fees ever since. Judging from the reaction of the SLN captain who’d commanded the OFS-installed terminus traffic control staff when Pang ordered him to turn his control stations over to Manticoran personnel, another chunk of those fees had probably been finding its way into his pockets, as well. Precious little of that revenue had ended up in Nolan itself, at any rate.

I assume that since OFS hand-picked the staff, that they were not civilian in nature in the League, or at least in this instance - which suggests that ACS would not have been so easily handed over to neobarbs by arrogant OFS officers who detest everything Manticoran without a fight. Which would have forced the Manty commander to fire on a civilian platform.

I guess I'm shocked that control of one (of the League's so few) terminii can be so easily obtained.

And what is the undercurrent referenced in "...Pang replied, choosing to let the rather thornier question of the Solly traffic controllers lie."

What thorny question is that?

Same way Admiral Tsang planned on taking control of the Beowulf terminus. Take over the platform(s) and put your own crew on them. It's pretty straightforward. The only time it would be difficult if there were someone capable of defending said platform(s), again, just like Beowulf. And since most termini in the League weren't being actively defended at the time Lacoon went live, it was pretty simple.