Fake Bombs?

Joat42 wrote:An April 2017 analysis prepared for Congress by the Government Accountability Office found that between September 12, 2001 and December 31, 2016, 73% of violent extremist incidents resulting in deaths were perpetrated by far right wing violent extremist groups, while 27% were perpetrated by radical Islamist violent extremists.

You're leaving out the just plain wackos that don't have political motivations. I suspect they outnumber either wing of politics.

Also, the islamists tend to pile up more bodies. Right-wingers usually cause fewer casualties.
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And while we're having this discussion, a gunman shot up a synagogue in Pittsburgh, killing 11. The perpetrator has a history of anti-semitic hate speech, something that is all too common amongst conservative commentators just slightly to the right of what is accepted in the mainstream.
Seriously though, when a certain percentage of conservative folklore is all about denouncing the influence of globalists like George Soros, is it any wonder that people who would generalize this to full anti-semitism would flock to conservatism and Trump? I think not.

I have read a history book or two in my time. I can see what's happening, all the various signals the american right is sending are completely transparent and blatant copies of the rhetoric used by certain upstanding citizens disappointed in their local government in the 1930s.

Imaginos1892 wrote:Attack opinions you disagree with all you want, but don’t attack people for having them.

If your opinion includes such gems as "the democrats are all insane" or "people who don't look like me or talk like me shouldn't get into this country" or some other nativist bullshit, you bet your ass I'm going to attack you personally. There are things a tolerant society cannot tolerate.

Imaginos1892 wrote:Also, the islamists tend to pile up more bodies. Right-wingers usually cause fewer casualties.

But since there are more violently inclined right-wing morons out there than there are muslim extremists....

Dilandu wrote:

TFLYTSNBN wrote:
May be you should get some perspective by taking a trip to the provinces that were once East Germany and ask the old people to tell you about what the Russian troops did to their women when they occupied the country?

Maybe you should firstly go to Russia and ask the old people what the German troops did to OUR women, children and elders when they occupied (fortunately, not for long) parts of OUR country?

I actually agree with you on this point. What the Germans did to Russia during World War 2 was so horrific that even the Ukrainians who had been the target of Stalin's terror famine rebelled against them. Most of the most horrific atrocities in history were in some respects retaliation for previous atrocities.

Imaginos1892 wrote:

Joat42 wrote:An April 2017 analysis prepared for Congress by the Government Accountability Office found that between September 12, 2001 and December 31, 2016, 73% of violent extremist incidents resulting in deaths were perpetrated by far right wing violent extremist groups, while 27% were perpetrated by radical Islamist violent extremists.

You're leaving out the just plain wackos that don't have political motivations. I suspect they outnumber either wing of politics.

Also, the islamists tend to pile up more bodies. Right-wingers usually cause fewer casualties.
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Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!!

To classify as an act of terrorism you need a stated goal or aim for the act, preferably political or religious. A wacko just killing people at random isn't an act of terrorism per se, it's usually "just" classified as homicides so it's not pertinent to this discussion.

An April 2017 analysis prepared for Congress by the Government Accountability Office found that between September 12, 2001 and December 31, 2016, 73% of violent extremist incidents resulting in deaths were perpetrated by far right wing violent extremist groups, while 27% were perpetrated by radical Islamist violent extremists.


Thanks for the link.


I am familiar with some of these incidents and the police were being rather creative in presuming motive in some of the cases involving rightwing extremists. Sometimes murders are merely interpersonal disputes or other crimes that escalate.

On the other hand, the DC Sniper was motivated in part by a desire to murder his exwife and cover it up as a random serial killing.

On the gripping hand, the United States has an enormous number of murders. Most are intraracial. Of the minority of murders that are interacial not involving family or acquaintances, far more are Blacks killing Whites rather than Whites killing blacks. The FBI no longer publishes collated data on homicides involving hispanics so it is a mystery to anyone unwilling to wade through the Supplementary Homicide Reports.

Theodore Roosevelt on immigration.

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/26007- ... hat-if-the

The E wrote:And while we're having this discussion, a gunman shot up a synagogue in Pittsburgh, killing 11. The perpetrator has a history of anti-semitic hate speech, something that is all too common amongst conservative commentators just slightly to the right of what is accepted in the mainstream.
Seriously though, when a certain percentage of conservative folklore is all about denouncing the influence of globalists like George Soros, is it any wonder that people who would generalize this to full anti-semitism would flock to conservatism and Trump? I think not.

I have read a history book or two in my time. I can see what's happening, all the various signals the american right is sending are completely transparent and blatant copies of the rhetoric used by certain upstanding citizens disappointed in their local government in the 1930s.

Imaginos1892 wrote:Attack opinions you disagree with all you want, but don’t attack people for having them.

If your opinion includes such gems as "the democrats are all insane" or "people who don't look like me or talk like me shouldn't get into this country" or some other nativist bullshit, you bet your ass I'm going to attack you personally. There are things a tolerant society cannot tolerate.

Don't spew to much feces about this travesty to demonize conservatives, particularly me. I once had the experience of reading about an Islamic terrorist bombing of Israeli tourists in Turkey and recognized the name of one of the victims. A call to the jewish person who had been the best man at my wedding confirmed that his nephew had been killed because he acted to protect his wife and others. I had actually read bed time stories to him while staying on a kibbutz in Israel.

"Don't quote facts at me, I have anecdotes!"

Both "far-" sides do it, though the right tend to do it on media and the left with pamplets.
Or so it seems.

The E wrote:

Imaginos1892 wrote:Attack opinions you disagree with all you want, but don’t attack people for having them.

If your opinion includes such gems as "the democrats are all insane" or "people who don't look like me or talk like me shouldn't get into this country" or some other nativist bullshit, you bet your ass I'm going to attack you personally. There are things a tolerant society cannot tolerate.

How about 'Those that are not willing to obey the laws of this country should not be let in'?

Who gets to decide which ideas we 'cannot tolerate'? Bullies that beat people up for wearing hats supporting a politician they hate? 'Activists' that disrupt events where people they disagree with are speaking? 'Protesters' that block highways and vandalize vehicles for having the 'wrong' bumper stickers? Do we surrender our rights and freedom to the likes of them?

If an idea is truly intolerable, it will get no support. If an idea that YOU find intolerable is widely supported, it would seem that a lot of people disagree with you. Will you simply declare them all 'wrong' and force your 'tolerant' ideas on them? How much force are you prepared to use? How far will you go to silence the people you don't agree with?
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Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!!