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Annachie
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In all honesty Daryl I don't think it would be. It would be higher, but not to that degree.
There's a massive cultural difference. An awakening that the USA refuses to go through. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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The reality is that crimnologists have factored in economics. African Americans have far higher homicide rates as any other group of similar economic circumstances. One major factor that effects Homicide rates for blacks is how large a minority or majority they are in their community. |
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TFLYTSNBN
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You are really getting the point now! US police are generally much less adept at solving homicides and other crimes as police in most other countries. This is not universal within the US. Some communities have far more effective police than others. The worst tend to be communities that are predominantly African American. Interestingly; clearance rates for homicides of white victims are as low as black victims, so it isn't racism by police. It is that "cultural shift" that hasn't occurred. |
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n7axw
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I'd need credible citation for this one. Joat is right. But there is more to the story than economics. Along with economic deprivation goes cultural break down. They go together hand and glove for communities, black and white. It is like a never ending circle one feeding the other. We can start with either side of the equation. All too many inner city kids have never had a male role model. Dad disappeared before they were born. Dad did that because he probably never knew his dad either. So he thinks that his behavior is normal. So mom, being the victim of the snipe hunting expedition is left holding the bag. She does that because that is what happened to her mom. So she thinks it's normal too. So mom goes to work to try to feed and shelter her children which takes two and sometimes three jobs to do. And the kids? They are fed into schools with crammed classrooms, all too few textbooks and teachers who although are well meaning aren't all that well educated themselves, let alone qualified to teach. They might last in such a school for a while. In fact there are some to the amazement of observers manage to graduate and go on to college. Often in order to survive in a good college, they must do remedial ed in order to compete with whites who have had the benefit of good schools. But all too often these kids end up on the streets where they join gangs to survive. And, of course, with that comes alcohol, drugs, violence and crime which in turn gets passed to the next generation. There are lots of success stories. When that happens it's because there is some good male mentoring going on. Both boys and girls need reliable men in their lives. For most of us that happens with good families that we take for granted. Or if we lack that, good teachers, or as in my own case both. l've always had lots of good mentors around. And hopefully I have been a mentor to the kids I have been around. Does this have anything to do with being black? No. Of course not. Black kids are as inherently bright as anyone else. In fact, you can find the same basic cycle on native American reservations. The Lakota Sioux people on the Pine Ridge reservation are amongst the poorest in America. Or poor white communities in places like West Virginia. The point is that anyplace you have economic impoverishment and broken culture, this is what you get. What being black does get you, however, is a horrible handicap due to both personal and structural racism. It's as though when the race starts the white and other advantaged children are a quarter mile down the track before you are even allowed to step up to the starting post. Racism is basicly stereotyping. If a you are black and a cop sees you, he assumes you are up to no good. If you are black and you apply for a job, your prospective employer is likely to assume you can't do the job no matter how good your credentials might be. If you apply for college, admissions people will wonder if you can keep up. Stereotyping (ala racism) is lazy and unfortunately all too many people are lazy. And if you do that, your victims pay the price for your lack of character. Don - When any group seeks political power in God's name, both religion and politics are instantly corrupted.
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Joat42
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--- Jack of all trades and destructive tinkerer. Anyone who have simple solutions for complex problems is a fool. |
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doug941
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Many of your points were distressingly correct, but you missed one. There are all too many members of the Black community who grasp at any method try to lift themselves out of their circumstances, but get grief from their peers of trying to emulate "Whitie." Thankfully, this is not nearly as bad of a problem as it was in the 1960s and 70s, but it still happens. |
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I actually believe that while black people back in the 1950s, 1960s and even the 1970s had to contend with far more overt and systematic racism, they conducted themselves in a far more responsible manner that allowed many to succeed anyway. (Watch the movie HIDDEN FIGURES. I actually have read a paper on celestial mechanics that was written by the mathematicion.). Now that the worst of the racism has been resolved, many black people are rejecting education and family. They also confuse criminal justice with racism.
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Joat42
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You don't really think through things, do you? Perhaps just ask yourself why black people tended to be "be more responsible" in 50's, 60's and 70's. I would use the word "cautious" though, especially considering what black people was put through for hundreds of years in the US. --- Jack of all trades and destructive tinkerer. Anyone who have simple solutions for complex problems is a fool. |
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n7axw
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Things have improved, but not nearly enough. One thing that happened is that once they were able to do so many of the modestly well off middle class blacks fled the inner city for the suburbs, leaving the inner city Black community leaderless. As for the bit about many blacks rejecting family and education, this is what I was referring to when in my previous post in describing cultural breakdown. All too many have never experienced either family or education the way we have. The dads disappeared. In a properly functioning family, it's dad's role to instill discipline and self control and introduce his children to the world. By nature all of us are self indulgent. We have to learn those things as we mature. Sometimes it happens the hard way. What I didn't learn by watching dad, I learned by getting my arse kicked. I eventually figured out that it caused a whole lot less fracas to learn the lesson the easy way. So who teaches those lessons if there is no dad around? That is where good strong male mentoring with loads of love has to come in. Without that...《shrug》 ![]() Sometimes criminal justice is racist when it is not evenly applied. There is nothing that depresses me more than the number of unarmed black men who have been shot by cops when had the cops investigated the matter more closely, it wouldn't have been necessary. Don - When any group seeks political power in God's name, both religion and politics are instantly corrupted.
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n7axw
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That is always sad. The reason for it is that the people giving the grief perceive the ones trying to break out of the circle as breaking what I will call tribal unity. That is a form of scapegoating. The same thing happens on the reservation. Only there the term is "apple" --- red on the outside, white on the inside. Don - When any group seeks political power in God's name, both religion and politics are instantly corrupted.
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