Guns, Guns Guns

Hmm, now just which president used Chinese campaign money and quid pro quo Most favored Nation status sending millions of American jobs to China. No our Presidents and Congress have stabbed the American working man in the back. Obama stabbed the elderly in the Back stealing from Medicare to finance Obama care. Ol' Will Rodgers was right, "America has the best government money can buy, unfortunately we're poor folks."

Poker

Prove it.

pokermind wrote:Hmm, now just which president used Chinese campaign money and quid pro quo Most favored Nation status sending millions of American jobs to China. No our Presidents and Congress have stabbed the American working man in the back. Obama stabbed the elderly in the Back stealing from Medicare to finance Obama care. Ol' Will Rodgers was right, "America has the best government money can buy, unfortunately we're poor folks."

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Donnachaidh wrote:Prove it.

pokermind wrote:Hmm, now just which president used Chinese campaign money and quid pro quo Most favored Nation status sending millions of American jobs to China. No our Presidents and Congress have stabbed the American working man in the back. Obama stabbed the elderly in the Back stealing from Medicare to finance Obama care. Ol' Will Rodgers was right, "America has the best government money can buy, unfortunately we're poor folks."

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Yah, right when the scumbags hide behind executive or congressional privilege, hide from the critical elements of the press, lie with impunity, or take the fifth. I may be cynical but, I trust none of the scumbags. Can I prove I'm right, no. Can you prove me wrong, no. Why the scumbags weaseled out hiding behind the above dodges.

Poker

I didn't say prove in a court, prove it to me. You must have seen or read something somewhere to come to that conclusion.

pokermind wrote:

Donnachaidh wrote:Prove it.

Yah, right when the scumbags hide behind executive or congressional privilege, hide from the critical elements of the press, lie with impunity, or take the fifth. I may be cynical but, I trust none of the scumbags. Can I prove I'm right, no. Can you prove me wrong, no. Why the scumbags weaseled out hiding behind the above dodges.

Poker

Forty-five plus years of news including following the Church Committee one of the few times any light was shed on the inhuman activities of government and, it's total callousness of human rights of it's citizens. An Idaho Sharif crying at not being able to arrest a federal murder who shot and killed a mother holding an eleven month old baby. I'm sure any abused children in Wako were so much happier being burning to death. Clintion did't need to prove he had a dick he couldn't keep the damn thing in his pants.

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Donnachaidh wrote:I didn't say prove in a court, prove it to me. You must have seen or read something somewhere to come to that conclusion.

pokermind wrote:
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Yah, right when the scumbags hide behind executive or congressional privilege, hide from the critical elements of the press, lie with impunity, or take the fifth. I may be cynical but, I trust none of the scumbags. Can I prove I'm right, no. Can you prove me wrong, no. Why the scumbags weaseled out hiding behind the above dodges.

Poker

You're right Bush did not order the murder of American citizens at home. Neither did Clinton, he ordered law enforcement agencies to deal with a very difficult situation in which he (along with the Attorney General) thought children were being sexually abused. Bush's orders only caused the wounding, maiming, and deaths of hundreds of thousands of people including Americans, not to mention specifically authorizing torture.

I didn't say Regan bears sole responsibility for the financial collapse. But it was his actions that made Barney Franks' pressure on banks even possible.

You may not like Clinton or Obama but their actions have not cause any where near the death and misery that Bush and Regan's did.

First off, Clinton didn't order the initial raid on Waco. That raid occurred while Zbush 41 was still President. The raid was primarily the result of the institutional corruption of ATF which transcends political parties.

Secondly, neither Clinton or Rambo Reno were conducting an operation to save children from sexual abuse. The Gederal government doesn't have jurisdiction in such matters. It would be a matter for State and local law enforcement.

Thirdly, the autopsy results reveal that the only children killed at Waco were either crushed to death or buried alive by the FBI tanks long before the fire started. Koresh was a classic polygamist who focused his sexual attentions on teenaged girls. He was no different than a former Mayor of Portland, Transportation secretary of the US, and Governor of Oregon. I don't see any SWAT units taking out Goldschmidt.

Your comments about banking are pure fantasy. It wasn't the deregulation under Reagan that set the banks up to be extorted into issuing mortgages to dead beats. It was the excessive regulation under Clinton followed by the failure of Bush's efforts to relax the regulations that manipulated the banks into making insane investments.

Second off,

I'm not going to bother with replying to anything you said namelessfly, you've shown that you still do not bother to treat anyone who disagrees with you with any sort of respect.

If you're still willing to say things like this (PM namelessfly sent me Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:41 pm):

namelessfly wrote:Your arguments would be more persuasive and interesting if they were not delusional.

Then you'll be banned again soon enough, I doubt you'll get another chance since you're just squandering your second one.

That's not proof. Since you're unwilling to provide anything other than pictures from the internet with captions people made and your own opinions, I'm going to assume you just decided Obama was guilty of something and have since proceed to bloviate on that delusion without the slightest shred of evidence.

pokermind wrote:Forty-five plus years of news including following the Church Committee one of the few times any light was shed on the inhuman activities of government and, it's total callousness of human rights of it's citizens. An Idaho Sharif crying at not being able to arrest a federal murder who shot and killed a mother holding an eleven month old baby. I'm sure any abused children in Wako were so much happier being burning to death. Clintion did't need to prove he had a dick he couldn't keep the damn thing in his pants.

Poker

Donnachaidh wrote:I didn't say prove in a court, prove it to me. You must have seen or read something somewhere to come to that conclusion.

Oh you mean like setting aside Federal law so he can give terrorist organizations in Syria arms? Including those behind 9-11-2001? http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2535885 The sad thing is it appears you think he's the best thing since canned beer while I think it's been train wreck after train wreck since he took office looking at the same facts. Both sides of the gun debate shamelessly jumped on the shooting at the Naval Yard. How that man's background check, especially after firearms violations arrests, showed him able to purchase a shotgun is beyond me. Oh the news media and Liberal Politicians can't tell the difference between a pump shotgun and a semiautomatic AR-15, why am I not surprised.

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All i will say is that no matte whether you are left or right wing, you should probably agree that he shouldnt have been able to access guns.

Reuters wrote:Alexis was arrested on September 4, 2010, in Fort Worth, Texas, on a misdemeanor charge of discharging a firearm. He was also arrested in Seattle in 2004 for shooting out a construction worker's car tires in an anger-fueled "blackout" triggered by perceived "disrespect," police said. In 2008, he was cited for disorderly conduct in DeKalb County, Georgia, when he was kicked out of a club for damaging furnishings and cursing.

So he has anger problems, and firearm offenses, at multiple points in time.

reuters wrote:Police in Newport, Rhode Island, were so concerned about Alexis' behavior on a business trip there in August that they alerted Navy police.

Alexis told police he believed people were following him and "sending vibrations into his body," according to a Newport police report.

He told police that he had twice moved hotels to avoid the noise he heard coming through the floor and the ceiling of his rooms, and that the people following him were using "some sort of microwave machine" to prevent him from sleeping.

He ha also raised concerns with the police over his mental stability.
and yet still, due to complexities in the laws, he was able to get guns.

japantimes wrote:But he apparently managed to exploit seams in the patchwork of complicated U.S. gun laws designed to keep weapons out of the hands of dangerous people. Alexis was able to buy a shotgun in Virginia with out of state identification, even though that would have prevented him from purchasing a handgun.

If nothing else, all the gun laws should be reviewed with a view to simplifying them and making them more equal across the country, so as to close loopholes.