US Government shutdown

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Re: US Government shutdown
by pokermind » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:49 am
pokermind Fleet Admiral Posts: 4002 Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:58 am Location: Jerome, Idaho, USA	Hmm, Obama Administration fences off Monuments in Washington DC in his make it hurt campaign. What the American people did: Yo Donnachaidh, The senate rules allow Harry Reed to block any bill from the floor, now the Speaker of the House has the same power Poker CPO Poker Mind and, Mangy Fur the Smart Alick Spacecat. "Better to be hung for a hexapuma than a housecat," Com. Pang Yau-pau, ART.
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by pokermind » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:49 am

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Hmm, Obama Administration fences off Monuments in Washington DC in his make it hurt campaign. What the American people did:

Yo Donnachaidh, The senate rules allow Harry Reed to block any bill from the floor, now the Speaker of the House has the same power

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Re: US Government shutdown
by Donnachaidh » Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:08 pm
Donnachaidh Rear Admiral Posts: 1018 Joined: Sun Oct 04, 2009 3:11 pm	Actually it's the Majority Leader, not the Speaker of the House and it is only in regard to the joint resolution for FY2014. So it's not the same. And I don't think Harry Reed should have that power. For that matter I think the filibuster rule should be disposed of, both parties have abused it to the detriment of the American people. pokermind wrote:Yo Donnachaidh, The senate rules allow Harry Reed to block any bill from the floor, now the Speaker of the House has the same power Poker _____________________________________________________ "Sometimes I wonder if the world is run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
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Re: US Government shutdown

by Donnachaidh » Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:08 pm

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Actually it's the Majority Leader, not the Speaker of the House and it is only in regard to the joint resolution for FY2014. So it's not the same. And I don't think Harry Reed should have that power. For that matter I think the filibuster rule should be disposed of, both parties have abused it to the detriment of the American people.

pokermind wrote:Yo Donnachaidh, The senate rules allow Harry Reed to block any bill from the floor, now the Speaker of the House has the same power

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Re: US Government shutdown
by pokermind » Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:53 pm
pokermind Fleet Admiral Posts: 4002 Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:58 am Location: Jerome, Idaho, USA	Truckers blocking a highway intersection in protest: Poker CPO Poker Mind and, Mangy Fur the Smart Alick Spacecat. "Better to be hung for a hexapuma than a housecat," Com. Pang Yau-pau, ART.
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Re: US Government shutdown

by pokermind » Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:53 pm

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Truckers blocking a highway intersection in protest:

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Re: US Government shutdown
by namelessfly » Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:01 pm
namelessfly	pokermind wrote:Truckers blocking a highway intersection in protest: Poker This is going to get ugly. When even the National Park Police are cooped to act like goon squads and the Feds have 1.6 billion rounds of hollow point ammo (not practicevammo) stock piled, they are primed to go postal on citizens.
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Re: US Government shutdown

by namelessfly » Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:01 pm

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pokermind wrote:Truckers blocking a highway intersection in protest:

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This is going to get ugly.

When even the National Park Police are cooped to act like goon squads and the Feds have 1.6 billion rounds of hollow point ammo (not practicevammo) stock piled, they are primed to go postal on citizens.

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Re: US Government shutdown
by Donnachaidh » Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:04 pm
Donnachaidh Rear Admiral Posts: 1018 Joined: Sun Oct 04, 2009 3:11 pm	When was that? The only trucker protest I was able to find relating to the shutdown was by a group called "Truckers Ride for the Constitution" and they didn't seem to accomplish much, certainly not to the extent that picture implies. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/10/10/truckers-washington-beltway-protest/2962045/ http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/11/dozens-not-thousands-show-up-for-dc-trucker-protest/ pokermind wrote:Truckers blocking a highway intersection in protest: Poker _____________________________________________________ "Sometimes I wonder if the world is run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
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Re: US Government shutdown

by Donnachaidh » Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:04 pm

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When was that? The only trucker protest I was able to find relating to the shutdown was by a group called "Truckers Ride for the Constitution" and they didn't seem to accomplish much, certainly not to the extent that picture implies.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/10/10/truckers-washington-beltway-protest/2962045/

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/11/dozens-not-thousands-show-up-for-dc-trucker-protest/

pokermind wrote:Truckers blocking a highway intersection in protest:

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Re: US Government shutdown
by thinkstoomuch » Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:27 pm
thinkstoomuch Admiral Posts: 2729 Joined: Mon Aug 24, 2009 1:05 pm Location: United States of America	I found this to be a fairly even handed treatment of the shutdown and why people are acting the way they are in Congress. It has a couple of interesting segments. From PBS and starts out bashing the "R"'s, but seemed to fit this whole topic like a glove. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXQQlkVagV4 Hope it helps, T2M ----------------------- Q: “How can something be worth more than it costs? Isn’t everything ‘worth’ what it costs?” A: “No. That’s just the price. ... Christopher Anvil from Top Line in "War Games"
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Re: US Government shutdown

by thinkstoomuch » Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:27 pm

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I found this to be a fairly even handed treatment of the shutdown and why people are acting the way they are in Congress.

It has a couple of interesting segments.

From PBS and starts out bashing the "R"'s, but seemed to fit this whole topic like a glove.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXQQlkVagV4

Hope it helps,
T2M

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Q: “How can something be worth more than it costs? Isn’t everything ‘worth’ what it costs?”
A: “No. That’s just the price. ...
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Re: US Government shutdown
by biochem » Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:38 pm
biochem Rear Admiral Posts: 1372 Joined: Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:06 pm Location: USA	For that matter I think the filibuster rule should be disposed of, both parties have abused it to the detriment of the American people. I actually like it in the case of the individual filibuster. Sen. Rand Paul famously used it last spring to bring attention to an issue near and dear to his heart. Given how little most of these self centered individuals sacrifice, it is impressive when one of the idealists suffers through some intense personal discomfort to make a point. I tend to admire those individuals whether or not I agree with their proposals. On the other hand the group filibusters can be a problem. However, both sides are used to this tactic and plan for it in their strategizing. It seems to be more useful to the minority party, giving them a tool to force the majority to compromise on their legislation. So since it is often used to drive legislation toward the center, I'm cautiously in favor of it in general just not in particular instances such as the current situation.
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Re: US Government shutdown

by biochem » Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:38 pm

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For that matter I think the filibuster rule should be disposed of, both parties have abused it to the detriment of the American people.

I actually like it in the case of the individual filibuster. Sen. Rand Paul famously used it last spring to bring attention to an issue near and dear to his heart. Given how little most of these self centered individuals sacrifice, it is impressive when one of the idealists suffers through some intense personal discomfort to make a point. I tend to admire those individuals whether or not I agree with their proposals.

On the other hand the group filibusters can be a problem. However, both sides are used to this tactic and plan for it in their strategizing. It seems to be more useful to the minority party, giving them a tool to force the majority to compromise on their legislation. So since it is often used to drive legislation toward the center, I'm cautiously in favor of it in general just not in particular instances such as the current situation.

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Re: US Government shutdown
by biochem » Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:20 am
biochem Rear Admiral Posts: 1372 Joined: Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:06 pm Location: USA	I saw this quote from President Henry Truman used in reference to the shutdown. “I sit here all day trying to persuade people to do the things they ought to have sense enough to do without my persuading them. That’s all the powers of the President amount to.”
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Re: US Government shutdown

by biochem » Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:20 am

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I saw this quote from President Henry Truman used in reference to the shutdown.

“I sit here all day trying to persuade people to do the things they ought to have sense enough to do without my persuading them. That’s all the powers of the President amount to.”

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Re: US Government shutdown
by pokermind » Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:09 am
pokermind Fleet Admiral Posts: 4002 Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:58 am Location: Jerome, Idaho, USA	Good cartoon explaining the mess, one side believes we can't go bankrupt [ask the Greeks], one side wants to slow the slide to disaster. Both are at loggerheads,and both are to blame. I loved one reply to this cartoon on Facebook: Chris Greenstein wrote: This is awesome, till you realize they are sharing the shower, and figure out we are screwed unless someone opens the door to kick them out and give Constitutionalists the dirty job of cleaning up the century of scum and slime that has built up. Only problem is how, and a pain free solution is not possible, sorry to darken your day, but that's fact Jack. We have become a nation of swine, "Cut the other pig's swill not mine." "Steal [tax] from the other pig not me." Yada yada yada. If we continue on the old path eventually we drown in debt when the Fed's Ponzi scheme collapses into hyperinflation. As always the little guy will get the short end of the stick, the rich rats are already abandoning the ship. Poker CPO Poker Mind and, Mangy Fur the Smart Alick Spacecat. "Better to be hung for a hexapuma than a housecat," Com. Pang Yau-pau, ART.
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Re: US Government shutdown

by pokermind » Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:09 am

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Good cartoon explaining the mess, one side believes we can't go bankrupt [ask the Greeks], one side wants to slow the slide to disaster. Both are at loggerheads,and both are to blame. I loved one reply to this cartoon on Facebook:

Chris Greenstein wrote: This is awesome, till you realize they are sharing the shower, and figure out we are screwed unless someone opens the door to kick them out and give Constitutionalists the dirty job of cleaning up the century of scum and slime that has built up.

Only problem is how, and a pain free solution is not possible, sorry to darken your day, but that's fact Jack. We have become a nation of swine, "Cut the other pig's swill not mine." "Steal [tax] from the other pig not me." Yada yada yada.

If we continue on the old path eventually we drown in debt when the Fed's Ponzi scheme collapses into hyperinflation. As always the little guy will get the short end of the stick, the rich rats are already abandoning the ship.

Poker

CPO Poker Mind

and, Mangy Fur the Smart Alick Spacecat.

"Better to be hung for a hexapuma than a housecat," Com. Pang Yau-pau, ART.

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Re: US Government shutdown
by Donnachaidh » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:48 pm
Donnachaidh Rear Admiral Posts: 1018 Joined: Sun Oct 04, 2009 3:11 pm	It's always seemed closer to "Raise the ceiling" "Turn off spending." But only on things I don't approve of/don't care about, spend more on these 73 other things and cut taxes for these people that gave me lots of campaign money. The only difference I see between them is the Republicans say spend less and tax less but only get around to the taxing less while the Democrats just spend and tax more. pokermind wrote:Good cartoon explaining the mess, one side believes we can't go bankrupt [ask the Greeks], one side wants to slow the slide to disaster. Both are at loggerheads,and both are to blame. I loved one reply to this cartoon on Facebook: Chris Greenstein wrote: This is awesome, till you realize they are sharing the shower, and figure out we are screwed unless someone opens the door to kick them out and give Constitutionalists the dirty job of cleaning up the century of scum and slime that has built up. Only problem is how, and a pain free solution is not possible, sorry to darken your day, but that's fact Jack. We have become a nation of swine, "Cut the other pig's swill not mine." "Steal [tax] from the other pig not me." Yada yada yada. If we continue on the old path eventually we drown in debt when the Fed's Ponzi scheme collapses into hyperinflation. As always the little guy will get the short end of the stick, the rich rats are already abandoning the ship. Poker _____________________________________________________ "Sometimes I wonder if the world is run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
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Re: US Government shutdown

by Donnachaidh » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:48 pm

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It's always seemed closer to "Raise the ceiling" "Turn off spending.*"

*But only on things I don't approve of/don't care about, spend more on these 73 other things and cut taxes for these people that gave me lots of campaign money.

The only difference I see between them is the Republicans say spend less and tax less but only get around to the taxing less while the Democrats just spend and tax more.

pokermind wrote:Good cartoon explaining the mess, one side believes we can't go bankrupt [ask the Greeks], one side wants to slow the slide to disaster. Both are at loggerheads,and both are to blame. I loved one reply to this cartoon on Facebook:

Chris Greenstein wrote: This is awesome, till you realize they are sharing the shower, and figure out we are screwed unless someone opens the door to kick them out and give Constitutionalists the dirty job of cleaning up the century of scum and slime that has built up.

Only problem is how, and a pain free solution is not possible, sorry to darken your day, but that's fact Jack. We have become a nation of swine, "Cut the other pig's swill not mine." "Steal [tax] from the other pig not me." Yada yada yada.

If we continue on the old path eventually we drown in debt when the Fed's Ponzi scheme collapses into hyperinflation. As always the little guy will get the short end of the stick, the rich rats are already abandoning the ship.

Poker

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"Sometimes I wonder if the world is run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain

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