Guns, Guns Guns

agreed annachie.

After all, NZ seems to be doing pretty well, despite gun laws that the US right rags on about as leading to the doom of society, and yet in many statiitics regarding society that I have seen, NZ seems to do better.....

Sorry to say that the Rambo Granny is a myth Nameless.

Annachie, I happen to agree that the best cure for Societal Breakdown is fixing society. The problem is that it takes time. Done effectively, it can take generations. And that leads to the problem of feedback; how do you know that what is being done to fix a particular problem is working the way you intended? Case in point, the various "Closing the Gap" programs here in Australia have actually increased the breakdown of society by giving an entire generation a sense of entitlement. Then that generation had kids raised to know that they didn't need to actually do anything to look after themselves, the government will take care of it. And the sad truth is that its very very difficult to alter that sort of attitude in a grown person. If you take away all the payments, special treatment, double standards, etc; then the group raised to believe it deserves them, will revolt. Because they believe that their rights are being stolen.

A firearm is a last resort; but it has the advantage of immediacy. It give it owner the chance to defend themselves, their loved ones, and their property while waiting for the police to arrive. It seems to be little acknowledged that while you can call the police in moments, it takes time for them to arrive. Time that the criminal you called them for will not stand idle.

While I tend to agree about the lack of need for Automatic weapons for personal defense, a very strong case can be made for semi-automatics. Put simply, gangs have more than one person in them. If your having to take second to reload, then the group can use it to get close.

I should say that I'm not actually anti-gun in any way. Just very pro gun control.

It just strikes me as the height of stupidity to allow some of the fire arms that are allowed, that they don't have to be locked up when not being used, not to mention laws that make it easier for legal guns to drop out of the system.

Yes!

The tale had just arrived by email and I found it so amusing that I posted it before doing some Googling to confirm or debunk it.

Invictus wrote:Sorry to say that the Rambo Granny is a myth Nameless.

Annachie, I happen to agree that the best cure for Societal Breakdown is fixing society. The problem is that it takes time. Done effectively, it can take generations. And that leads to the problem of feedback; how do you know that what is being done to fix a particular problem is working the way you intended? Case in point, the various "Closing the Gap" programs here in Australia have actually increased the breakdown of society by giving an entire generation a sense of entitlement. Then that generation had kids raised to know that they didn't need to actually do anything to look after themselves, the government will take care of it. And the sad truth is that its very very difficult to alter that sort of attitude in a grown person. If you take away all the payments, special treatment, double standards, etc; then the group raised to believe it deserves them, will revolt. Because they believe that their rights are being stolen.

A firearm is a last resort; but it has the advantage of immediacy. It give it owner the chance to defend themselves, their loved ones, and their property while waiting for the police to arrive. It seems to be little acknowledged that while you can call the police in moments, it takes time for them to arrive. Time that the criminal you called them for will not stand idle.

While I tend to agree about the lack of need for Automatic weapons for personal defense, a very strong case can be made for semi-automatics. Put simply, gangs have more than one person in them. If your having to take second to reload, then the group can use it to get close.

Annachie wrote:I should say that I'm not actually anti-gun in any way. Just very pro gun control.

It just strikes me as the height of stupidity to allow some of the fire arms that are allowed, that they don't have to be locked up when not being used, not to mention laws that make it easier for legal guns to drop out of the system.

The fact remains that the firearms that people like you worry about the most are seldom used in homicides or other crimes. Use of rifles and shotguns of any type has been low and declining in the US for decades. The few jurisdictions that keep caliber specific data (Chicago Murder Analysis before it was declared secret) confirm that military style "assault rifles" are almost never used in crime. The great shift from criminal use of revolvers to semiautomatic pistols that occurred during the 1980s is correlated with a reduction in the lethality of firearms assaults.

I would prefer to have gun control regulations formulated by actual knowledge rather than the prejudices of people who really don't like guns and view gun owners with suspicionand derision.

I thought that I would post this to inspire some thought about the fundamental issues.

https://statelymcdanielmanor.wordpress. ... le-part-1/

Just out of interest, and of course without being specific, where do people store their firearms?

Annachie wrote:Just out of interest, and of course without being specific, where do people store their firearms?

A gun safe

Annachie wrote:Illegal immigrant numbers are difficult to determine here in Aus because the PC police call them refugees and the two groups get blended, add to that the Navy either turns them around or dumps them in detention centers in other countries.

To be honest though the illegals seem generally law abiding. It's the refugees that were causing the violance for a while. Somalian youth gangs running riot, but a bit of an education campaign, and their own elders taking a firmer hand with their youth, oh and improved policing, made the situation a whole lot better/safer.
Not assault weapons though.

Societal breakdown is cured by fixing society, not over arming it.

Yet another rambling post.

Funny thing is I am not all that up in arms about illegal immigration. I am up in arms about government handouts. Be rather wrong seeing as half my heritage was the one that originated the term "WOP". Never could get dad to tell me if grandpa was "with" papers. Curious that.

Just like not all that upset about speeders. Be rather hypocritical of someone who has been stopped 8 times in one year. Only got 4 tickets (that year anyway) though. A wonderful thing about the way New York State used to allow a license to last forever as long as you were in the military and stationed outside the state. Number was too long to enter in the system. Tailgaters on the other hand ...

As somebody said something about victimless previously. What is the "purpose" of a speed limit. Hint most of those signs used to say "maximum safe speed". I was not being safe. But dang it was a 100 mile commute.

I was just pointing out that culture here does not equal culture there or anywhere else. People automatically assume I am against, when in fact I am trying to understand the differences. Interesting leap, no.

Funny how in the US Gun Control does not equal safer. Then again as has also been pointed out maybe that other study that compares New Zealand to Australia and the laws enacted seem to be different with similar results.

The US Government used to have a fairly extensive mental health system with big issues. You know like that facility about 5 miles from my home growing up in rural Western New York State. Hmmm, but they closed it (by a "progressive administration", why try to fix it, just throw out the baby with the bath water sound familiar) turned it into a state run prison. Interesting.

Lastly of course illegal people(immigrants or just wanted for "failure to appear") are law abiding if the cost is getting you deported/jailed, don't you think they will be encouraged to not draw attention.

Funny how as a US Navy recruiter one my first questions (in Orange County, CA) was are you a US Citizen or green card holder. I had to know at least the basics of spanish(ish) language to make phone calls. Also literally just down the street from the largest concentration (at that time) of Asian immigrants.

Have fun,
T2M

PS The really funny thing in my mind is guns, what guns. I don't own any. I free load off all those who have them. Used them and trained people in their use. Rather difficult in my lifestyle to own them. Visit 30 or 40 states a year motorcycle, campsites and gun security are not generally related. Chance I take for the way I live. <shrug>

Annachie wrote:Just out of interest, and of course without being specific, where do people store their firearms?

My last purchase before getting married was a gun safe. Primary issues for me were theft protection and the safety of anticipated children.

Now have multiple gun safes.


All three of my teenaged children know the combinations to the gun safes so that they could access my firearms.