Guns, Guns Guns

Fair enough. I keep a training sword in my car, a metal baseball bat in my room, and carry a leatherman around a lot, plus have 8 years of martial arts training, so I will probabl do better than the average person. I just don't believe that guns are needed, by either party, as they just escalate the situation too much.

Zakharra wrote: Most burglars aren't smart in that sense or trained, or martial arts trained. They are thieves and crooks. So I'll keep my guns (and swords and knives) for home defense and use them on any home invaders. I should be able to have the means to protect my home and my family and not have to rely solely on the police, especially since I live in the country so it could take awhile for them to get out here.

Here is a great example of our hypocritical politicians. They can own a weapon for self defense but they sponsor anti gun bills that would take our rights to own a weapon away!

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/10/21/just-guess-what-ferguson-police-found-on-missouri-democrat-who-has-sponsored-several-anti-gun-bills/

Spacekiwi wrote:Fair enough. I keep a training sword in my car, a metal baseball bat in my room, and carry a leatherman around a lot, plus have 8 years of martial arts training, so I will probabl do better than the average person. I just don't believe that guns are needed, by either party, as they just escalate the situation too much.

Zakharra wrote: Most burglars aren't smart in that sense or trained, or martial arts trained. They are thieves and crooks. So I'll keep my guns (and swords and knives) for home defense and use them on any home invaders. I should be able to have the means to protect my home and my family and not have to rely solely on the police, especially since I live in the country so it could take awhile for them to get out here.

Guns can do that better and most burglars will leave if they know there is someone in the house with a gun. A certain subset will not leave, but they aren't the majority and for the most part arms (most people think of guns, but arms is -any- weapon) are something people can use to defend their homes. If someone invades my family's home to steal from it, if I can, I will use what weapons I have to dissuade that person(s) from doing what they are. Probably by shooting them if I can or sticking them a few times with a sword or two and making them wait until the police can show up. Either way I would do my best to make sure they regret setting foot in our house.

As it is though, most burglars will try to strike when no one is home specifically because they don't want a confrontation.

Guns can do better, yes, but better for both sides, which is the problem. And if they are the ones who stay when knowing you are home, arent they the ones also more likely to have guns as well? And if they are bringing guns into a home invasion/robbery, that means they will probably not flinch at using them. So you having access to guns means that they also have acces to guns, and you get a escalating situation, whereas a lack of guns means you and them have to get close to fight, giving both parties a more cautious outlook on interactions, as you/they won't do something stupid/reckless on the assumption you/they can fire first and avoid injury.

Zakharra wrote: Guns can do that better and most burglars will leave if they know there is someone in the house with a gun. A certain subset will not leave, but they aren't the majority and for the most part arms (most people think of guns, but arms is -any- weapon) are something people can use to defend their homes. If someone invades my family's home to steal from it, if I can, I will use what weapons I have to dissuade that person(s) from doing what they are. Probably by shooting them if I can or sticking them a few times with a sword or two and making them wait until the police can show up. Either way I would do my best to make sure they regret setting foot in our house.

As it is though, most burglars will try to strike when no one is home specifically because they don't want a confrontation.

Spacekiwi wrote:Guns can do better, yes, but better for both sides, which is the problem. And if they are the ones who stay when knowing you are home, arent they the ones also more likely to have guns as well? And if they are bringing guns into a home invasion/robbery, that means they will probably not flinch at using them. So you having access to guns means that they also have acces to guns, and you get a escalating situation, whereas a lack of guns means you and them have to get close to fight, giving both parties a more cautious outlook on interactions, as you/they won't do something stupid/reckless on the assumption you/they can fire first and avoid injury.

Zakharra wrote: Guns can do that better and most burglars will leave if they know there is someone in the house with a gun. A certain subset will not leave, but they aren't the majority and for the most part arms (most people think of guns, but arms is -any- weapon) are something people can use to defend their homes. If someone invades my family's home to steal from it, if I can, I will use what weapons I have to dissuade that person(s) from doing what they are. Probably by shooting them if I can or sticking them a few times with a sword or two and making them wait until the police can show up. Either way I would do my best to make sure they regret setting foot in our house.

As it is though, most burglars will try to strike when no one is home specifically because they don't want a confrontation.

Home invasions are like piracy or privateers back in the day. To make money in the long term, one does not attack armed targets if possible nor does one take risks of extending punishments if caught. By bringing a gun to home invasion, the risk of higher punishments if caught escalates dramatically. Planning to actually engage in a shoot out with a homeowner is really stupid. Much better to ensure no one is home and don't risk bringing a gun.

Anyone that DOES bring a gun to a home invasion wants to use it to some degree. Anyone that fits that description is best met armed when he intrudes.

Here's a link to home invasion that went bad...I will just put the link up and let the individual decide what they would do.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/10/23/police-say-three-men-invaded-home-and-attempted-to-gang-rape-19-year-old-but-they-didnt-come-prepared-for-grandpa/

I would die to protect my family....how far would you go to protect your family? Would your cherished anti gun beliefs stand the test of watching your own daughter or grand daughter being raped and killed before your very own eyes? I can not answer that question for you but please pause and reflect honestly on what you would do in this situation.

The link you supplied does spell out what some of us have been saying. Three armed men invaded the home. In most developed countries three obvious losers like these would have had significant difficulty in obtaining firearms.

Being a reputable (uncaught) citizen I have passed our country's strict firearm owner requirements, and do have a number of legally registered firearms. I would be unlikely to use them in resisting a home invasion though as they are securely locked away plus once you produce a gun the low lives can claim that they were acting in self defence. My compound bow and a number of razor sharp swords would be used though.
In the past week our headlines have listed two gun murders nationwide, and there has been much comment, as it is so unusual. Would the USA have even put those on the front page?

smr wrote:Here's a link to home invasion that went bad...I will just put the link up and let the individual decide what they would do.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/10/23/police-say-three-men-invaded-home-and-attempted-to-gang-rape-19-year-old-but-they-didnt-come-prepared-for-grandpa/

I would die to protect my family....how far would you go to protect your family? Would your cherished anti gun beliefs stand the test of watching your own daughter or grand daughter being raped and killed before your very own eyes? I can not answer that question for you but please pause and reflect honestly on what you would do in this situation.

I would die to protect my family....how far would you go to protect your family? Would your cherished anti gun beliefs stand the test of watching your own daughter or grand daughter being raped and killed before your very own eyes? I can not answer that question for you but please pause and reflect honestly on what you would do in this situation.

Daryl, I asked for answer to the question not to restate your belief. What would you do in that situation. I would have done what the grandfather did and shoot at the home evaders. They were planning on raping his granddaughter and killing his family. They brought weapons and were intending to do harm.

I to would attack them, But i would not need guns. Again, a gun only makes things worse for both parties, and increases the deaths and injuries to both sides.

smr wrote:I would die to protect my family....how far would you go to protect your family? Would your cherished anti gun beliefs stand the test of watching your own daughter or grand daughter being raped and killed before your very own eyes? I can not answer that question for you but please pause and reflect honestly on what you would do in this situation.

Daryl, I asked for answer to the question not to restate your belief. What would you do in that situation. I would have done what the grandfather did and shoot at the home evaders. They were planning on raping his granddaughter and killing his family. They brought weapons and were intending to do harm.

smr wrote:I would die to protect my family....how far would you go to protect your family? Would your cherished anti gun beliefs stand the test of watching your own daughter or grand daughter being raped and killed before your very own eyes? I can not answer that question for you but please pause and reflect honestly on what you would do in this situation.

Daryl, I asked for answer to the question not to restate your belief. What would you do in that situation. I would have done what the grandfather did and shoot at the home evaders. They were planning on raping his granddaughter and killing his family. They brought weapons and were intending to do harm.

A dishonest and stupid question deserves no answer.