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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by MAD-4A   » Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:55 am

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Tenshinai wrote:And even the common .22 LR, only a fool considers it a "kids toy".
Yeah, totally toys

There is a difference between a ".22" and a 5.56mm.

Both my brother and I played with .22s as kids so, Yea it is, only a fool lets there kids have one without teaching them proper gun safety. And only coddlers think otherwise.
You start with a BB gun and teach them how to handle it and be safe with it. Then, when they show gun safety and responsibility, you let then graduate to a .22. That's how responsible gun owners are produced. & if he leaves his .22 out in the yard or on the swing, you take it back. That's called Punishment, (It's something liberals can't seam to comprehend.)
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by Tenshinai   » Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:10 pm

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MAD-4A wrote:There is a difference between a ".22" and a 5.56mm.

Both my brother and I played with .22s as kids so, Yea it is, only a fool lets there kids have one without teaching them proper gun safety. And only coddlers think otherwise.
You start with a BB gun and teach them how to handle it and be safe with it. Then, when they show gun safety and responsibility, you let then graduate to a .22. That's how responsible gun owners are produced. & if he leaves his .22 out in the yard or on the swing, you take it back. That's called Punishment, (It's something liberals can't seam to comprehend.)


:roll:

Shall we count your mistakes?

I/You/Someone did something "this way"-> therefore that is how it should be done. Logic fail.

Children can be perfectly reliable and safe, oh yes... But if you teach them that something is a TOY to be PLAYED with, then it will sometimes be PLAYED with like ANY TOY.
You ALWAYS separate serious/dangerous from toys.
Fundamental psychological fail.

Blame and disparage suitably vague "others" as a way to support your argument by attempting to attack opposition credibility.
Logic fail and dishonest.

You actually think anyone is capable of watching their children every second?
Basic fail.

22LR and 5.56 are not the same, well duh, what a surprise.
Strawman argument.

Ignoring facts you don´t like, like my list on how 22LR and other equally very low energy firearms are still in the top 10, or even top 3 list over murder weapons.
A weapon is never a toy.
Reality disconnect fail.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by Daryl   » Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:35 pm

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The 22LR is disproportionately effective at close range, because the bullet isn't jacketed and thus will cause more damage than expected, while the 5.56 can at times pass straight through without imparting all its energy. Still a much more powerful weapon overall though.
Growing up on a farm I had a 22 rifle at 10 years, but never considered it to be a toy.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by MAD-4A   » Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:36 pm

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Toy Def:
"any small thing"
"something diminutive, esp. in comparison with like objects."
"Something that provides amusement"

It is a "learning toy", a diminutive version of something larger used for amusement and teaching (in this case teaching proper gun handling and responsibility) and we had plenty of (safe) amusement with ours (till we ran out of ammo).

not:
"To treat something casually or without seriousness."
Different definition.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by Daryl   » Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:08 pm

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In my case it was a tool not a toy. Growing up on a farm we all pitched in hoeing weeds, mustering stock and such. At 10 I was trained to use the rifle, and sent to kill pests. Around the silos and barns no rat was safe from my ratshot, and elsewhere LR rounds were sufficient up to 150 mtrs for rabbits, problem birds, and foxes. If my dad had ever thought I regarded it as a toy I would have lost the privilege. When we butchered cattle for home use the 22 was the weapon of choice as heavier weapons would have damaged the meat, so something that can kill a full grown steer in a close headshot is not a toy. I graduated to shotguns at 12, and military calibres at 14 years.


MAD-4A wrote:Toy Def:
"any small thing"
"something diminutive, esp. in comparison with like objects."
"Something that provides amusement"

It is a "learning toy", a diminutive version of something larger used for amusement and teaching (in this case teaching proper gun handling and responsibility) and we had plenty of (safe) amusement with ours (till we ran out of ammo).

not:
"To treat something casually or without seriousness."
Different definition.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by Annachie   » Thu Sep 03, 2015 5:32 am

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Aprpro of not much, again lol.
I was reminded today of how as a 17 yr old I used to work for Kmart (Think Walmart I suppose) and was not allowed to sell the guns because I was too young. Though I could sell amunition.
(They stopped selling them that year actually)

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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by Tenshinai   » Thu Sep 03, 2015 4:00 pm

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MAD-4A wrote:Toy Def:
"any small thing"
"something diminutive, esp. in comparison with like objects."
"Something that provides amusement"

It is a "learning toy", a diminutive version of something larger used for amusement and teaching (in this case teaching proper gun handling and responsibility) and we had plenty of (safe) amusement with ours (till we ran out of ammo).



And the PRIMARY definition of toy:
an object, often a small representation of something familiar, as an animal or person, for children or others to play with; plaything.


something a child plays with


An object for a child to play with, typically a model or miniature replica of something


an ​object for ​children to ​play with

an object designed to be played with

And then some other meanings:

An object, especially a gadget or machine, regarded as providing amusement for an adult

a thing or matter of little or no value or importance; a trifle.

something that serves for or as if for diversion, rather than for serious practical use.

something for a child to play with

something that can be toyed with

to act or deal with something lightly or without vigor or purpose

something a child plays with

to act idly; or with indifference; trifle

something that is a nonfunctioning replica of something else, esp a miniature one

A toy is an item that can be used for play. Toys are generally played with by children and pets.


not:
"To treat something casually or without seriousness."
Different definition.


Seriously... :roll:

an object designed to be played with

Definition of "play":
"Summing up the formal characteristic of play, we might call it a free activity standing quite consciously outside 'ordinary' life as being 'not serious' but at the same time absorbing the player intensely and utterly.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by Tenshinai   » Thu Sep 03, 2015 4:03 pm

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Daryl wrote:The 22LR is disproportionately effective at close range, because the bullet isn't jacketed and thus will cause more damage than expected, while the 5.56 can at times pass straight through without imparting all its energy. Still a much more powerful weapon overall though.
Growing up on a farm I had a 22 rifle at 10 years, but never considered it to be a toy.


As it should be.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by Daryl   » Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:36 am

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On a lighter note today is Father's Day in Australia, so we had the usual multigenerational BBQ & all went well.
My youngest (30s) son gave me a Martini Henry bayonet that he had sourced after research. From the markings it appears to be dated Sept 1881. About 65cm long, double edged and sharp for first 17cm, single edged after that with a saw tooth back for part of the way, scabbard is original & looks it but still functional. An interim design from just after the socket era, but just before the saw tooth edge was banned.
I'm impressed both by the gift & the thought.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by pokermind   » Mon Sep 14, 2015 3:25 am

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On the lighter side given the shooting of the gentle giant that gave birth to Black Lives Matter:

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"Gentile Giant," Mike Brown of Ferguson, shot by Officer Darren Wilson in August 2014 seen robing a convenience store prior to the shooting.


Gives rise to this joke on police violence:

A farmer named Clyde had a tractor accident. In court, the trucking company's fancy hot shot lawyer, was questioning Clyde. "Didn't you say, at the scene of the accident, 'I'm fine,'?" asked the lawyer.

Clyde responded, "Well, I'll tell you what happened. I had just loaded my favorite cow, Bessie, into the..."

"I didn't ask for any details", the lawyer interrupted. "Just answer the question, ...please. Did you, or did you not say, at the scene of the accident, 'I'm fine!'?"

Clyde said, "Well, I had just got Bessie into the trailer behind the tractor and I was driving down the road...."

The lawyer interrupted again and said, "Your Honor, I am trying to establish the fact that, at the scene of the accident, this man told the Highway Patrolman on the scene that he was just fine. Now several weeks after the accident he is trying to sue my client. I believe he is a fraud. Please tell him to simply answer the question."

By this time, the Judge was fairly interested in Clyde's answer and said to the lawyer, "I'd like to hear what he has to say about his favorite cow, Bessie".

Clyde thanked the Judge and proceeded. "Well, as I was saying, I had just loaded Bessie, my favorite cow, into the trailer and was driving her down the highway when this huge semi-truck and trailer ran the stop sign and smacked my John Deer Tractor right in the side. I was thrown into one ditch and Bessie was thrown into the other. I was hurting, real bad and didn't want to move. However, I could hear old Bessie moaning and groaning. I knew she was in terrible shape just by her groans.

Shortly after the accident a Highway Patrolman came on the scene. He could hear Bessie moaning and groaning, so he went over to her. After he looked at her, and saw her fatal condition, he took out his gun and shot her between the eyes. Then the Patrolman came across the road, gun still in hand, looked at me, and said, "How are you feeling?"

"Now tell me, what the heck would you say?"


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