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Re: Political one liners
Post by biochem   » Thu Feb 11, 2016 9:30 am

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pokermind wrote:Hmm New Hamshire, Clinton 40% Sanders 60% of the vote gets fewer delegates than Clinton. What is wrong with this pic? Can we say corruption, political elites not caring about the opinion of the American People?

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For the Democratic side only 2/3 of the delegates were awarded from the primary. 1/3 are super delegates selected by the party elite, which awarded them to Hillary. The Democratic establishment basically just told the Democratic voters that they couldn't care less about what the voters think.
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Re: Political one liners
Post by Annachie   » Fri Feb 12, 2016 4:32 am

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The Supers get to decide for themselves, and are comming out for the establishment candidate.

It's not corruption Poker, but yeah it's not exactly right either.

Then again I sometimes think that there's more corruption and similar in preselection than actual elections.

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Re: Political one liners
Post by PeterZ   » Fri Feb 12, 2016 10:29 am

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Annachie wrote:The Supers get to decide for themselves, and are comming out for the establishment candidate.

It's not corruption Poker, but yeah it's not exactly right either.

Then again I sometimes think that there's more corruption and similar in preselection than actual elections.

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Gotta agree with you here. The whole super delegate thing smacks of Orwell's pigs. Some people are more equal than others.
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Re: Political one liners
Post by pokermind   » Sun Feb 14, 2016 5:31 pm

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PeterZ wrote:
Annachie wrote:The Supers get to decide for themselves, and are comming out for the establishment candidate.

It's not corruption Poker, but yeah it's not exactly right either.

Then again I sometimes think that there's more corruption and similar in preselection than actual elections.

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Gotta agree with you here. The whole super delegate thing smacks of Orwell's pigs. Some people are more equal than others.


Got to agree, our political elite think themselves above the law, and congress often exempts itself from the laws they bass for we plebeians. Poor George Orwell never intend his books on ruthless dictatorships to be play books of ruthless American politicians.

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Re: Political one liners
Post by Imaginos1892   » Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:08 pm

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Our enemies are trying to destroy our freedom. How can we fight them by giving it up?

How does it make us "safe" when any dick-head with a dime and nothing better to do can make one phone call and shut down schools, evacuate buildings, waste millions of dollars, and get on the news?
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Re: Political one liners
Post by Michael Everett   » Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:06 am

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Imaginos1892 wrote:How does it make us "safe" when any dick-head with a dime and nothing better to do can make one phone call and shut down schools, evacuate buildings, waste millions of dollars, and get on the news?

You could simply fine them to cover the cost of the evacuation, loss of teaching time, deployment of military etc.
I'm sure that having their house/flat/caravan/whatever publicly repossessed live on national TV with all their stuff auctioned off ("What am I bid for a fifty-inch television once owned by a blooming moron") and then enrolled into the military with half their wages diverted to pay off the rest of the debt would solve several problems all at once.
People would certainly reconsider wasting the time of others like that if they had to financially recompense them...
...and they might actually learn some self-control in the military.

But this'll never happen due to the whole "Yuman rites" mindset.
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Re: Political one liners
Post by DDHvi   » Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:51 pm

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A market economy is one in which whoever makes a decision is the one who pays for that decision.


Which is one reason why the freeloaders do not like real market economies
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Re: Political one liners
Post by gcomeau   » Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:59 pm

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DDHvi wrote:
A market economy is one in which whoever makes a decision is the one who pays for that decision.


Which is one reason why the freeloaders do not like real market economies
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And why oligarchs *love* them...
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Re: Political one liners
Post by gcomeau   » Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:08 pm

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While I don't particularly like the super delegate thing people keep blowing it up into more than it is.


In theory can they exert their influence to overturn a popular vote outcome at the end of a primary if the vote is close enough that they can make up the difference for the losing candidate? Sure.


Has that ever happened? No.


Will that ever happen? No. (Barring extraordinary circumstances in which said voters would basically thank them for doing it, like someone wins the pledged count then between then and the convention gets revealed to be a puppy torturing Hitler clone from an evil scientists lab or something )


And that is true for one simply reason, arbitrarily over-ruling the primary voters would be party suicide. Best case scenario is you only obliterate your chances for one election cycle.... more likely you destroy your support base for years and years to come.


Same thing happened in 2008. Everyone was wringing their hands over Hillary racking up super delegates early on.... then Obama won the pledged delegate race. What happened? All the super delegates required to affirm that outcome promptly switched sides and lined up behind the winner. Because anything else is cutting their own throats with the voters, which is one thing they won't do.


Same thing will happen this year. Supers can talk all they want at this point about who they say they will support, but no matter what they say they are UNpledged until the convention. Nobody "has" them. If Hillary wins the pledged count all those supers saying they'll support her will stick with it. If she loses the pledged count there'll be a mass migration to Sanders.
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Re: Political one liners
Post by Imaginos1892   » Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:09 pm

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Michael Everett wrote:You could simply fine them to cover the cost of the evacuation, loss of teaching time, deployment of military etc.
I'm sure that having their house/flat/caravan/whatever publicly repossessed live on national TV with all their stuff auctioned off ("What am I bid for a fifty-inch television once owned by a blooming moron") and then enrolled into the military with half their wages diverted to pay off the rest of the debt would solve several problems all at once.
People would certainly reconsider wasting the time of others like that if they had to financially recompense them...
...and they might actually learn some self-control in the military.

But this'll never happen due to the whole "Yuman rites" mindset.

First, you have to identify the dick-head, and only the absolute idiots use a phone that can be traced back to them. They tend not to have any assets. The expression "blood from a stone" comes to mind.
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