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PeterZ wrote:After your High Commissioner played his part to set up George Papadopoulos for FBI's illegal attempts to spy on a US presidential candidate, I would say Australia is 1 up on hanging the US out to dry.

Yay... conspiracy theories.

Even Trump's own appointed head of the FBI has stated very clearly and explicitly that there was no spying on Trump. And nobody set Papadopolous up he just shot off his big mouth and got his very disturbing comments reported to the proper authorities... who looked into it because THAT'S THEIR FREAKING JOB.

Dilandu wrote:

gcomeau wrote:
Do you even understand the words you just spoke?

You just attempted to *justify* Trump turning US allies over to an ethnic cleansing campaign by claiming Trump uniquely understands that yes the Turks will commit atrocities against those allies and are not themselves real allies... so he decided to backstab the real allies and turn their families over to the fake allies for a slaughter to make some kind of point.

On what fucking planet is that a good thing?

Could you for once just suggest the other solution besides "doing nothing and hoping that the situation would somehow defuse itself"?

We've been over this. The status quo was maintainable for the short to mid term and in that time period you NEGOTIATE A FREAKING STATUS AGREEMENT.

What you do NOT do is say "surprise Kurdish allies! We're running away like right this minute because we figure we've got enough use out of you for our purposes... we really appreciate all the casualties you took fighting for us and protecting our troops in country, enjoy the ethnic cleansing campaign we just signed off on against your families".

PeterZ wrote:<Peter bows before Dilandu> I am not worthy! I am not worthy!

You may want to pay more attention to the fact that the person you are bowing to has explicitly stated in this thread that they are cheering for Russian victory over America in the region, has openly gloated that Trump had given them that victory, and take their approval of what Trump is doing in the proper context.

Or, you know, keep doing the MAGA thing and put your loyalty to Trump over your country and cheer wildly for anything that says Trump is great and smart no matter what the implications or consequences or context. That context being Dilandu thinks Trump did the smart thing because he thinks it was smart to bow to the reality that Russia would outplay America.

(Which, to be fair, it has been in spades. Getting Trump in office has been paying off beyond Putin's wildest dreams.)

gcomeau wrote:

We've been over this. The status quo was maintainable for the short to mid term and in that time period you NEGOTIATE A FREAKING STATUS AGREEMENT.

What you do NOT do is say "surprise Kurdish allies! We're running away like right this minute because we figure we've got enough use out of you for our purposes... we really appreciate all the casualties you took fighting for us and protecting our troops in country, enjoy the ethnic cleansing campaign we just signed off on against your families".

Oh, great. So Trump would SOMEHOW negotiate some kind of "status agreement" - exactly how? What he could suggest to Turkey and Assad? - and then there would be invulnerable shield over Kurds made of... paper agreement. Which would be immediately scrapped after the first shooting incident.

In short the same result for Kurds (because nobody would be interested in upholding such agreement), but fig leaf for US.

we really appreciate all the casualties you took fighting for us and protecting our troops in country,

...In the country, where US troops have zero right to stay, and - since US did not recognize Kurdish independence - are basically foreign invaders, acting against the will of the Government and majority of population?

enjoy the ethnic cleansing campaign we just signed off on against your families".

Considering that Assad troops are the only ones who are even remotely interested in protecting Syrian minorities, your logic is flawed as usual.

gcomeau wrote:You may want to pay more attention to the fact that the person you are bowing to has explicitly stated in this thread that they are cheering for Russian victory over America in the region, has openly gloated that Trump had given them that victory, and take their approval of what Trump is doing in the proper context.

I take it that you have nothing to say about the fact that Assad victory is the best outcome for the Syrian civil war? The best out of worst, I agree, but there is no better solution?

Or you would still insist that Syrian civilians must die by tens of thousands just so Glorious Right of Glorious America to Decide What's Right and What's Wrong not be questioned?

Comments first asserted by FBI plants, Mifsud and Halper. Then later solicited by the same in the presence of the Ausdie High Commissioner per his own testimony. Those two operatives paid Papadopoulos to give as speech and arranged the meeting with the Ausdie.

The FBI used their set up to surveil the Trump campaign. They used the Steele memo to justify the surveillance. That memo was opposition research hit piece paid for by the Clinton campaign and was not verified. Yet, the FBI schmucks soon to be indicted by the grand jury lied about the dossier to the FISA court. That surveillance end IS spying. That spying was not the job of the FBI because there was no predicate to investigate. There was no foreign connection to the campaign that was not manufactured by the FBI.

The only conspiracy theory anywhere near this was that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia. Now all you progressives want to manufacture more conspiracies based on a partisan inquisition in a star chamber that will result for all practical purposes in a bill of attainder. I will be glad when that grand jury starts issuing indictments.

gcomeau wrote:

PeterZ wrote:After your High Commissioner played his part to set up George Papadopoulos for FBI's illegal attempts to spy on a US presidential candidate, I would say Australia is 1 up on hanging the US out to dry.

Yay... conspiracy theories.

Even Trump's own appointed head of the FBI has stated very clearly and explicitly that there was no spying on Trump. And nobody set Papadopolous up he just shot off his big mouth and got his very disturbing comments reported to the proper authorities... who looked into it because THAT'S THEIR FREAKING JOB.

gcomeau wrote:

PeterZ wrote:<Peter bows before Dilandu> I am not worthy! I am not worthy!

You may want to pay more attention to the fact that the person you are bowing to has explicitly stated in this thread that they are cheering for Russian victory over America in the region, has openly gloated that Trump had given them that victory, and take their approval of what Trump is doing in the proper context.

Or, you know, keep doing the MAGA thing and put your loyalty to Trump over your country and cheer wildly for anything that says Trump is great and smart no matter what the implications or consequences or context. That context being Dilandu thinks Trump did the smart thing because he thinks it was smart to bow to the reality that Russia would outplay America.

(Which, to be fair, it has been in spades. Getting Trump in office has been paying off beyond Putin's wildest dreams.)

You actually believe that crap and you call me a conspiracy theorist!

Yes, Dilandu sees military victory for Russia in the region. So what? Let Russia stick the sclong in a meat grinder. Keep US soldiers out of that mess. Pretty soon, they'll leave the oil fields too. I wasn't cheering any of that.

I was cheering his evisceration of your hysterical post.

PeterZ wrote:

gcomeau wrote:You may want to pay more attention to the fact that the person you are bowing to has explicitly stated in this thread that they are cheering for Russian victory over America in the region, has openly gloated that Trump had given them that victory, and take their approval of what Trump is doing in the proper context.

Or, you know, keep doing the MAGA thing and put your loyalty to Trump over your country and cheer wildly for anything that says Trump is great and smart no matter what the implications or consequences or context. That context being Dilandu thinks Trump did the smart thing because he thinks it was smart to bow to the reality that Russia would outplay America.

(Which, to be fair, it has been in spades. Getting Trump in office has been paying off beyond Putin's wildest dreams.)

You actually believe that crap and you call me a conspiracy theorist!

Yes, Dilandu sees military victory for Russia in the region. So what? Let Russia stick the sclong in a meat grinder. Keep US soldiers out of that mess. Pretty soon, they'll leave the oil fields too. I wasn't cheering any of that.

I was cheering his evisceration of your hysterical post.

Oh please. Dilandu's entire schtick is to deride any possibility any strategy or tactic involving the US not giving Russia it's way could ever work and is stupid. I see he's currently on "Pffft... Diplomacy??? As if that works, you're so stupid for thinking that would work when obviously it wouldn't work because.... because."

And yours is to latch desperately onto any pretext or rationalization for not admitting that you supported a pathologically narcissistic lying ignorant criminal who develops man crushes on every dictator he meets for the US presidency. Even when, in this case, it involves you fanboy cheerleading the postings made my someone who has openly admitted in this very thread that they are cheering *against* America and delighting in how Trump has thrown victory in the region to Russia just because he's speaking approvingly of Trump when he does so.

It's... really quite pathetic.

And thus PeterZ is aptly demonstrating the drawbacks of making political decisions based only on what makes liberals mad.

PeterZ wrote:
After your High Commissioner played his part to set up George Papadopoulos for FBI's illegal attempts to spy on a US presidential candidate, I would say Australia is 1 up on hanging the US out to dry.

I can actually answer a couple of points about that comment.
The first is that we didn't "hang the US out to dry", in that Trump isn't the US. Even now as President he doesn't personify the country, and he wasn't President at the time anyway.
The other point is a little strange as I actually know Alexander Downer (The High Commissioner) a little. As when I was working in our Public Service he was a senior politician and I ended up on occasions working on the same committees and such. He did rise to be Opposition Leader representing the Liberal Party (our Republican equivalent).
Alex's public persona was as someone from the old English aristocracy would be; well educated, intelligent, naive, lacking common sense, and a "jolly good chap". In person that was reinforced. Someone less suited for devious skulduggery and spy plots is hard to imagine. He would have been politically aligned with mainstream Republicans, but would have regarded Trump with disdain, as being "not the right sort of chap".