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gcomeau wrote:
You're the only one here talking about killing women and children at all. And approvingly to boot, every time you cheerlead the decision to sign off on the Turk invasion. So shove your transparently bullshit fake concern for the Kurds.

Really?

gcomeau wrote:2. Quite a lot of damage actually, but they likely wouldn't need to, because see point 4...

gcomeau wrote:1. Who said anything about a short time?

So, it wasn't you, who suggested a long-therm destruction campaign against the only thing that hold Syria together and provide some safety and sustenance for civilians?

TFLYTSNBN wrote:
Your verbiage is rather crude and insulting to the US, but you do have a valid point.

Please forgive me. It's just gcomeau really gets on my nerves.

Dilandu wrote:

TFLYTSNBN wrote:
Your verbiage is rather crude and insulting to the US, but you do have a valid point.

Please forgive me. It's just gcomeau really gets on my nerves.

I would remind you that we still do not know what planet Gcomeau comes from. However; he has revealed that his home world is flat.

Dilandu wrote:

gcomeau wrote:
You're the only one here talking about killing women and children at all. And approvingly to boot, every time you cheerlead the decision to sign off on the Turk invasion. So shove your transparently bullshit fake concern for the Kurds.

Really?

gcomeau wrote:2. Quite a lot of damage actually, but they likely wouldn't need to, because see point 4...

gcomeau wrote:1. Who said anything about a short time?

So, it wasn't you, who suggested a long-therm destruction campaign against the only thing that hold Syria together and provide some safety and sustenance for civilians?

And as we have ready covered, and which you already know so you're just spouting more dishonest BS.

1. Targeted military strikes are a thing.

2. It is the *threat* of the US having that capability which is what prevented Assad from attacking if Trump had stayed put... leading to a negotiated settlement... which is how you fucking AVOID the deaths of women and children like you have been cheerleading as a result of the Turks invading.

gcomeau wrote:
1. Targeted military strikes are a thing.

...This is hopeless. gcomeau is simply unwilling to comprehend, that in Syria military is the only force of order remaining. If you target the military, you target the whole society, plunging it into chaos.

Couple of points without walls of text.
Firstly reporting a conversation to the FBI for their information, can hardly be construed as hanging out the US to dry. It's your senior anti spy agency, not Russia's. Who should he have called?

Secondly I know that the whole Middle East is a mess, and Syria is one of the worst parts of that mess, but does anyone here not regard Assad as an ar**hole of the first order? Even worse than Putin and Edrogen. Perhaps some short term pain might be justified in getting rid of him?

Daryl wrote:
Secondly I know that the whole Middle East is a mess, and Syria is one of the worst parts of that mess, but does anyone here not regard Assad as an ar**hole of the first order? Even worse than Putin and Edrogen. Perhaps some short term pain might be justified in getting rid of him?

Considering that attempt to get rid of him lead to years of civil war, I doubt that your idea is practical. Currently, he is A - the only truly legitimate leader of Syria (lets not forget, even his opponents did not deny that he was elected by the majority), B - the only one who is close enough to victory, so the war could ends without decades of more bloodshed.

TFLYTSNBN wrote:
Your verbiage is rather crude and insulting to the US, but you do have a valid point.

Dilandu wrote:
Please forgive me. It's just gcomeau really gets on my nerves.

TFLYTSNBN wrote:

I would remind you that we still do not know what planet Gcomeau comes from. However; he has revealed that his home world is flat.

He is Canadian.

Daryl wrote:Couple of points without walls of text.
Firstly reporting a conversation to the FBI for their information, can hardly be construed as hanging out the US to dry. It's your senior anti spy agency, not Russia's. Who should he have called?

Secondly I know that the whole Middle East is a mess, and Syria is one of the worst parts of that mess, but does anyone here not regard Assad as an ar**hole of the first order? Even worse than Putin and Edrogen. Perhaps some short term pain might be justified in getting rid of him?

The FBI plants invited him to attend a social event with a complete novice. This wasn't a random event. Halper solicited the desired response from Papadopoulos, which Downing was honest enough to describe accurately in his testimony. The damage was done because conversation was reported inaccurately, I suspect, to the FISA judge. We'll see what the investigations have discovered. That a grand jury was empaneled suggests criminal activity. We'll see where that activity happened.

Who the hell are we to decide what is acceptable short term pain for getting rid of Assad? Did the hordes of refugees fleeing Libya think their short term pain was justified for eliminating Gaddafi? How many more deaths is acceptable to all you interventionists and would the locals agree?

PeterZ wrote:You should be. Between the American progressive left's antisemitism streak and the growing isolationist tendencies on the right, more American pols are looking to withdraw our military back home. I doubt Trump will hang Isreal out to dry. Fauxcahantas or Bernie just might. There are other nations President Trump will hang out to dry, given a chance.

Leaving aside whether your characterization of Warren's or Sanders' approach to Israel is correct, bluntly, we can deal with a hostile President much more easily than one who might turn on us suddenly and for no apparent reason.

Dilandu wrote:I Just thought... Actually, for Kurds the current situation is probably the most... promising, they could even get. They now have important common ground with the rest of Syria: they both have common enemies.

Syrians dislike Turks and hate USA. Kurds hate Turks, and (now) dislike USA. Having common enemies to hate could actually bring peoples together quite fine. Especially considering that for Syrians, Kurds now aren't "those traitorous bastards, who sided with Americans", but "those poor bastards, who were betrayed by bloody Americans".

Too bad that the Syrians can't really stop the Turks if the latter press the issue and I doubt Russia is going to step up to protect the Turks.

ETA: Also, you're presenting a false dilemma. It may be that there's no acceptable deal the US can reach and it should have withdrawn. But it didn't have to first press the Kurds to dismantle their Turkey-facing fortifications or scuttle their earlier attempts to reach an accord with Assad, and then leave without any warning whatsoever.