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Does Chapter Four of Gustav Andermann's magnum opus begin,
"Long, long ago, in a galaxy far, far away... "?

Fox2! wrote:Does Chapter Four of Gustav Andermann's magnum opus begin,
"Long, long ago, in a galaxy far, far away... "?

Or it could be:

"Anciently, the skillful warriors first made themselves invincible and awaited the enemy's moment of vulnerability."

Of course, Gustav's magnum opus would be in German, so both of the above are wrong.

Various versions are on Amazon, but I don’t see the audiobook yet.

Robert_A_Woodward wrote:
Of course, Gustav's magnum opus would be in German, so both of the above are wrong.

Wahr.

Robert_A_Woodward wrote:

Fox2! wrote:Does Chapter Four of Gustav Andermann's magnum opus begin,
"Long, long ago, in a galaxy far, far away... "?

Or it could be:

"Anciently, the skillful warriors first made themselves invincible and awaited the enemy's moment of vulnerability."

Of course, Gustav's magnum opus would be in German, so both of the above are wrong.

Vor langer, langer Zeit, in einer weit, weit entfernten Galaxie

Krieg, Krieg ändert sich nie

Reaching back to the prior book--I would have expected that Travis & company would have brought back (or that it was at least mentioned) a LOT of readings on Andermann and other Star Nations ships plus stations. Since Hauptman was along and there was the scene on the pirate station where he had gathered a bunch of examples of equipment (to try and determine where the pirates were getting their gear) that he and Travis didn't bring back a number of examples. And I mean things like "spare" impeller nodes from the warehouses to provide physical examples of differnt manufactures. And if Chomps pulled "all" the files from the station computer, how about all the specs of weapons, ships systems, shipboard equipment, software (and manuals) for all that stuff like the system sensor net.
Part of the missions was to gather commercial intelligence and here they had a massive amount of military hardware and equipment actually in their hands. No mention that the Andremann admiral prohibited them taking physical items from the pirate station OR from any of the pirate ships that were attached to the station. Sure, impeller nodes are large (and so are counter missiles) but certainly a BC could find someplace to stuff a few things into it's hold or into a shipping container (or two) and attach them to the hull to take things home.
Ah well....

I realize that there is probably some of that "not invented here" attitude except that at least the RMN really wants to get it's hands on better tec

Brigade XO wrote:Reaching back to the prior book--I would have expected that Travis & company would have brought back (or that it was at least mentioned) a LOT of readings on Andermann and other Star Nations ships plus stations. Since Hauptman was along and there was the scene on the pirate station where he had gathered a bunch of examples of equipment (to try and determine where the pirates were getting their gear) that he and Travis didn't bring back a number of examples. And I mean things like "spare" impeller nodes from the warehouses to provide physical examples of differnt manufactures. And if Chomps pulled "all" the files from the station computer, how about all the specs of weapons, ships systems, shipboard equipment, software (and manuals) for all that stuff like the system sensor net.

Is there any reason to think they didn't?

Part of the missions was to gather commercial intelligence and here they had a massive amount of military hardware and equipment actually in their hands. No mention that the Andremann admiral prohibited them taking physical items from the pirate station OR from any of the pirate ships that were attached to the station. Sure, impeller nodes are large (and so are counter missiles) but certainly a BC could find someplace to stuff a few things into it's hold or into a shipping container (or two) and attach them to the hull to take things home.
Ah well....

HMS Casey is a light cruiser, not a BC. They wouldn't have a lot of spare room, but they would have some space to bring back sample items for further investigation.

But they had fired missiles, so they would have space in their magazines for captured missiles. Whether they fit into the loaders is a different story -- they probably did, because all missiles are Solarian design these days. The other question would be whether carrying ammunition for use was ethical, since the ones at the Volsungs base might have been the result of theft or other fruit of the poisoned tree.

I realize that there is probably some of that "not invented here" attitude except that at least the RMN really wants to get it's hands on better tec

Why are you saying this? What is making you think the RMN has a case of NIH? For all we know and have seen, it's the exact opposite and almost everything the build is licensed from the SL. We know the BBs that the RMN will launch by 1595 are a Solarian design, after all.

Speaking of Battleships, in ACTV, the Casey crew was surprised to learn that the IAN had a battleship. According to them, Jayne's (spelled "Jane's" in the book) said only the League had battleships. I could give the investigators a pass if the IAN had a single ship and kept it quiet they had one, not brandishing it during conquests. It would be obvious for anyone who visited the New Berlin system, but travel there was a year-long affair from the Core.

But here in ACTI, the IAN actually has 5 battleships. And not only that, they'd lost one capturing Tomlinson 20 years ago. What excuse can the Jayne's people have for missing that?

ThinksMarkedly wrote:Speaking of Battleships, in ACTV, the Casey crew was surprised to learn that the IAN had a battleship. According to them, Jayne's (spelled "Jane's" in the book) said only the League had battleships. I could give the investigators a pass if the IAN had a single ship and kept it quiet they had one, not brandishing it during conquests. It would be obvious for anyone who visited the New Berlin system, but travel there was a year-long affair from the Core.

But here in ACTI, the IAN actually has 5 battleships. And not only that, they'd lost one capturing Tomlinson 20 years ago. What excuse can the Jayne's people have for missing that?

Jane’s is open source intelligence. Maybe the five battleships are classified? Maybe they thought the Andermani only had Vergeltung, and that must have been the battleship that got destroyed? The ‘five battleships’ is Axelrod’s intelligence, and they wouldn’t be fussy about their sources breaking the official secrets laws.

Another alternative is that the Andermani navy is - at that point - like the Grayson navy in Honor of the Queen (where it’s also called Jane’s). Grayson is too far off for Jane’s to even include, despite the Grayson’s having a navy. The Andermani get included, but Jane’s doesn’t have really up to date intelligence on that (then) far-off and rather weird Empire.

Axelrod, on the other hand, will have detailed, up to date information about the entire Haven Sector - including intelligence on one of the only two local powers capable of taking Manticore off them.