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Re: New Pope
Post by Howard T. Map-addict   » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:47 pm

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A 30-year-old woman would have been
Absolute Proof of a New Start!
:lol:
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Now if the new Pope had been a broadly educated 30 year
old woman I might have had some hope for a new start, [snip - htm]
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Re: New Pope
Post by pokermind   » Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:08 pm

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But before a thirty yer old woman pope one must have a thirty year old woman Cardinal, before a thirty yer old woman Cardinal one must have a thirty year old woman bishop or arch bishop, and before that a thirty year old woman priest.

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Howard T. Map-addict wrote:A 30-year-old woman would have been
Absolute Proof of a New Start!
:lol:
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Daryl wrote:Now if the new Pope had been a broadly educated 30 year
old woman I might have had some hope for a new start, [snip - htm]
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Re: New Pope
Post by Howard T. Map-addict   » Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:14 pm

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No, Charlie,
the RCC has no requirement that a new Pope must
already be a Cardinial, an Archbishop or Bishop,
or even a priest!
(although a layman would be ordained quickly.)
There have been monks elected Pope, who were not
Cardinals or Bishops. The famous Bishop Ambrose
of Milan was not yet a priest when made bishop.

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pokermind wrote:But before a thirty year old woman pope
one must have a thirty year old woman Cardinal,
before a thirty yer old woman Cardinal one must
have a thirty year old woman bishop or archbishop,
and before that a thirty year old woman priest.

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Howard T. Map-addict wrote:A 30-year-old woman would have been
Absolute Proof of a New Start!
:lol:
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Re: New Pope
Post by kbus888   » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:29 pm

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Hi Howard T Map-addict

You are right.

And I'll bet that is news for many people on these forums.

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Re: New Pope
Post by KNick   » Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:23 pm

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kbus888 wrote:Hi Howard T Map-addict

You are right.

And I'll bet that is news for many people on these forums.

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For those who are surprised, go read Eric Flint's 163x series. It is explained quite extensively in some of the early books. Bishoprics and Archbishoprics have almost always been political appointments. This has always been the case.
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Re: New Pope
Post by viciokie   » Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:18 pm

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Not surprising at all considering their cardinals have said child rape is not a criminal act. http://guardianlv.com/2013/03/jd-arrest ... afficking/
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Re: New Pope
Post by biochem   » Thu Oct 17, 2013 1:05 pm

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I have not been able to find it. Does anyone know what the official catholic church position on the Borgias (the popes not the TV series) is?
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Re: New Pope
Post by munroburton   » Thu Oct 17, 2013 1:37 pm

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biochem wrote:I have not been able to find it. Does anyone know what the official catholic church position on the Borgias (the popes not the TV series) is?


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Re: New Pope
Post by Howard T. Map-addict   » Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:09 pm

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I don't know what the RCC says,
but a recent group biography,
"The Borgias, The hidden history"
by historian G J Meyer,
says that they all have been much slandered,
that Rodrigo Borgia was *not* rich enough to buy the
Papacy, was elected because he was a good churchman
and probably the best candidate available,
(he'd held the same high office under 4 succesive Popes)
and probably never fathered any child.
Cesare and Lucrezia were probably his nephew's children.

There is no honest evidence, at all, showing Lucrezia to
be anything but a Good Woman and Good Wife. She was an
excellent Duchess of Ferrara, and was much loved there.

As for Cesare, evidence shows him to have murdered some
people, but *not* his brother, and executed some others.
The biographer says his enemies were much worse than him.

I recommend this biography.
It is still in libraries.

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biochem wrote:I have not been able to find it. Does anyone know what the official catholic church position on the Borgias (the popes not the TV series) is?
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Re: New Pope
Post by 7thsealord   » Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:10 am

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Howard T. Map-addict wrote:I don't know what the RCC says,
but a recent group biography,
"The Borgias, The hidden history"
by historian G J Meyer,
says that they all have been much slandered,
that Rodrigo Borgia was *not* rich enough to buy the
Papacy, was elected because he was a good churchman
and probably the best candidate available,
(he'd held the same high office under 4 succesive Popes)
and probably never fathered any child.
Cesare and Lucrezia were probably his nephew's children.

There is no honest evidence, at all, showing Lucrezia to
be anything but a Good Woman and Good Wife. She was an
excellent Duchess of Ferrara, and was much loved there.

As for Cesare, evidence shows him to have murdered some
people, but *not* his brother, and executed some others.
The biographer says his enemies were much worse than him.

I recommend this biography.
It is still in libraries.

Howard T. Map-addict

biochem wrote:I have not been able to find it. Does anyone know what the official catholic church position on the Borgias (the popes not the TV series) is?


Interesting. Thanks for that.

I've known for a while that quite a number of historical figures have been very unjustly vilified (Richard III and Captain Bligh for certain, maybe even some of the "crazy" Roman emperors), but didn't realize that the Borgias may also be in that group.
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