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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by cthia   » Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:57 am

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Thanks all. I didn't remember that there was wear and tear on the ship.

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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by saber964   » Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:35 pm

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There's several references to Translation Sickness in several books. IIRC there's one in HotQ when HMS Reliant made its translation Hamish could hear someone wretching in the background.

I'm thinking that Translation Sickness is analogous to seasickness. In that it affects people differently to varying degrees. With seasickness some have cast iron stomachs and others start being sick just going past the breakwater.


And of course, the original HH famously became sea-sick his first night aboard ship - at anchor.



We had a guy who was so chronically seasick. He was seasick with the ship moored to a pier. He was transferred to shore duty to finish out his time and not allowed to re-up.
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by Annachie   » Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:17 am

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I wonder when O'Hanrahan is going to notice the hypicracy of the Messan Alignment, and given her almost genetic hatred of hypocrasy, what will she do about it?

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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by cthia   » Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:25 am

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Annachie wrote:I wonder when O'Hanrahan is going to notice the hypicracy of the Messan Alignment, and given her almost genetic hatred of hypocrasy, what will she do about it?

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But isn't she a member of the Alignment?

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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by Eagleeye   » Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:44 am

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cthia wrote:
Annachie wrote:I wonder when O'Hanrahan is going to notice the hypicracy of the Messan Alignment, and given her almost genetic hatred of hypocrasy, what will she do about it?

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But isn't she a member of the Alignment?


She is, but I wonder how far on the inside of the onion she is. Depending of that is her probable reaction. If she's around the same level (or even deeper) as the McBride-brothers were/are, I assume she doesn't care. Is she more on the outside ... who knows?
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by cthia   » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:39 am

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Last night my English wife was discussing England with some of her American friends. She mentioned the net worth of the Queen to be upwards of half a billion dollars — apart from the numerous benefits she enjoys from the Crown. I had no idea. She also stated that she receives a government stipend of ~ $13M yearly. What!?

Has textev given the net worth of Elizabeth Winton? And what she receives as a stipend? I wonder if she forgoes the allotment in time of war. Or disaster, like now.

About Queen Elizabeth II
Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom, 86, has a personal net worth of $550 million. The queen’s wealth comes from property holdings including Balmoral Castle in the Scottish Highlands, stud farms, a fruit farm and marine land throughout the U.K.; extensive art and fine jewelry; and one of the world’s largest stamp collections built by her grandfather. Not included are those assets belonging to the Crown Estate, which she gets to enjoy as Queen, such as $10 billion worth of real estate, Buckingham Palace (estimated to be worth another $5 billion), the Royal Art collection, and unmarked swans on stretches of the Thames. The Crown has claimed ownership of these birds since the 12th century when swan meat was considered a delicacy; they are no longer eaten.

The Queen also receives an annual government stipend of $12.9 million. Because most of her wealth is tied to her position and not hers personally – in otherwords, she could never sell the royal assets. The queen’s Diamond Jubilee in 2012 marks her 60 years on the throne, with celebrations throughout her realms.
I researched it because I couldn't believe it.

Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by cthia   » Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:31 pm

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Deanna Troi on ST-TNG can turn her empathic abilities on and off.

Has textev mentioned whether the treecats have the ability to tune out? If the MAlign isolates the gene influencing emotion and goes beyond engineering emotionally dead spies, what if they can insert some sort of high frequency empathic signal to disrupt a treecat's senses or even to inject some sort of subliminal programming?

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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by Vince   » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:52 pm

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cthia wrote:Deanna Troi on ST-TNG can turn her empathic abilities on and off.

Has textev mentioned whether the treecats have the ability to tune out? If the MAlign isolates the gene influencing emotion and goes beyond engineering emotionally dead spies, what if they can insert some sort of high frequency empathic signal to disrupt a treecat's senses or even to inject some sort of subliminal programming?

Treecats can't turn off their ability to experience the mind glows of others, but they can brace themselves against them, or ignore them, or choose to focus on other mind glows. Honor has developed this ability as well:
Ashes of Victory, Chapter 6 wrote:She nodded in acknowledgment of the sharp salutes from the uniformed personnel of the Queen's Own Regiment and Palace Guard Service as she passed. Their outward miens were professional, alert and almost expressionless, and they'd been briefed on her scheduled arrival over a month ago. That meant there was little of the astonishment and sudden bursts of excitement she'd had to deal with back on Grayson, which was a vast relief, although at least all the practice Grayson had put her through had helped her learn—finally—how to tune down the volume on her emotion-sensing ability. She chuckled mentally at the thought. Someone back on Old Earth—Samuel Johnson?—had once observed that the knowledge that someone was to be hanged concentrated one's thoughts wonderfully. Honor had discovered the bitter truth of that sitting in a brig cell aboard PNS Tepes, but she'd also discovered a variant on the theme since her return. The sheer intensity of the emotional storm which had lashed at her so often and so violently from so many minds had forced her to concentrate on her own empathic ability as never before. She still didn't know how she'd done it, but she'd managed (out of simple self-preservation) to acquire a far finer degree of control. She could no more have described the learning process, or even how she did whatever it was she'd learned to do, than she could have described how she'd first learned to walk or talk, but she'd heaved a vast sigh of relief when she realized she'd developed something which must be very like Nimitz's own ability to adjust the gain. She still couldn't avoid tasting the emotions of those about her, but for the first time she'd gained sufficient control that she could hold the "volume" down to a level at which she no longer had to worry about looking and feeling dazed by the clamor no one else about her could even perceive. That, she felt certain, was going to prove to be a very valuable talent in the future—like the next time she found herself unable to completely tune out Hamish Alexander's emotions—and she was vastly relieved to have it, although she could have wished for a less . . . tumultuous way to acquire it.
Italics are the author's, boldface and underlined text is my emphasis.

How treecats and Honor use and rely on their empathetic sense:
Echoes of Honor, Chapter 5 wrote:For the first time, her link to Nimitz was as much curse as blessing, for try as she might she simply could not pretend she was unaware of White Haven's banked inner glow, and her awareness jabbed at her, unsettling her efforts to maintain a matching self-control. Looking back now, she remembered the first few months after she'd realized how Nimitz was tying her perceptions into the emotions of those about her. She'd tried, at first, to get him not to do that, because it had seemed wrong somehow. Dishonest. As if she were some sort of emotional voyeur, spying on the most intimate aspects of people who didn't even realize they could be spied upon. But Nimitz had never grasped why she felt that way, and she'd gradually come to realize that it was because treecats never perceived anyone any other way. The emotions of others were always there for a 'cat; he couldn't not perceive them, and trying not to was like trying to give up breathing.
And so she'd lost her struggle to remain blind, and, in time, she'd even come to forget that she'd ever tried to remain so. She'd become as accustomed as Nimitz himself was to sensing others' emotions, come to rely on it for guidance. It no longer seemed like spying because, as for the 'cats, every human she encountered was a blaze of emotions, feelings, attitudes which cried out to her. She could screen them, pay less attention to them, but she couldn't make them go away. One of Old Earth's overcrowded cultures—she couldn't remember which, but it might have been the Japanese—had had a saying about nakedness. Nakedness, they had said, is often seen but seldom looked at, and that was how she'd learned to handle the onslaught of other people's emotions.
But not this time. This time whatever had struck that reverberation between her and White Haven had destroyed her ability to "see" his emotions without looking at them. Outwardly, she'd managed to be just as correct as he; inwardly, she felt as if she were walking an emotional tightrope, and her inability to find any rational reason to feel that way only made it even more maddening.
Italics are the author's, boldface and underlined text is my emphasis.

The stories about treecats in the anthologies go into more detail about to what degree of control treecats have over their empathic and telepathic abilities and how they use them.
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by cthia   » Sat Oct 29, 2016 12:10 am

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Incredible post Vince. And thanks. I'm going to assume that any such attack by the MAlign can be turned down enough by the 'cats. I just can't shake the feeling that the MAlign are going to engineer some sort of offense and/or defense against the 'cats.

Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by WLBjork   » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:01 am

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cthia wrote:Last night my English wife was discussing England with some of her American friends. She mentioned the net worth of the Queen to be upwards of half a billion dollars — apart from the numerous benefits she enjoys from the Crown. I had no idea. She also stated that she receives a government stipend of ~ $13M yearly. What!?

Has textev given the net worth of Elizabeth Winton? And what she receives as a stipend? I wonder if she forgoes the allotment in time of war. Or disaster, like now.

About Queen Elizabeth II
Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom, 86, has a personal net worth of $550 million. The queen’s wealth comes from property holdings including Balmoral Castle in the Scottish Highlands, stud farms, a fruit farm and marine land throughout the U.K.; extensive art and fine jewelry; and one of the world’s largest stamp collections built by her grandfather. Not included are those assets belonging to the Crown Estate, which she gets to enjoy as Queen, such as $10 billion worth of real estate, Buckingham Palace (estimated to be worth another $5 billion), the Royal Art collection, and unmarked swans on stretches of the Thames. The Crown has claimed ownership of these birds since the 12th century when swan meat was considered a delicacy; they are no longer eaten.

The Queen also receives an annual government stipend of $12.9 million. Because most of her wealth is tied to her position and not hers personally – in otherwords, she could never sell the royal assets. The queen’s Diamond Jubilee in 2012 marks her 60 years on the throne, with celebrations throughout her realms.
I researched it because I couldn't believe it.


That $13m? Comes from the profits on enterprises once owned by the Crown, and used for the running of Government. As such the royal family only get a relatively small percentage of this value back.

Further more, I suspect you'd be surprised how frugal Her Majesty is - in some ways anyway. My personal favourite story is the one where she had a Crown Prince (of Saudi Arabia) nervous as *she* drove him around her estate.

There's a lot of complaint that Prince Charles doesn't pay corporation tax on some of his businesses. What the complainants tend not to realise is that he pays (voluntarily) the amount of tax that would be charged if this was personal income, which means he effectively contributes more to the Government than he needs to.
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